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sbettinson
Joined: 22 Jul 2004
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Location: Taichung
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 Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:23 am Post subject: Anyone have experience with the following schools? |
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Hi all,
My girlfriend and I have landed in Taipei and have been here a few days. The jetlag is still with us but we are starting to begin the hunt for work.
Just near to out hotel we have been into the following schools/language centres:
Wells English School.
Wall Street Institute.
Anyone have any experience or input on these?
Many thanks,
Shaun |
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Fortigurn
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| No experience, but heard good reports of Wall Street. |
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Rice Paddy Daddy
Joined: 11 Jul 2004
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I have heard a lot about Wall Street.
I've known 2 or 3 guys from the gym that have worked there and all have, over the past year, quit working for wall street.
A really bad outfit to work for all way around, is what I've been told. Lots of negative comments about the English teacher supervisors at Wall Street, actually.
Not going to write much here but the hours are quite high for what you get paid and the line-level teacher supervisors are hard to work with. A few older guys from the U.K in their 50s that are really autocratic and lazy. They've really pisse d a lot of people off apparently.
I'd suggest you avoid Wall Street and that you can find a better paying postion with a lot less stress and politics if you take the time to look. |
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sbettinson
Joined: 22 Jul 2004
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Location: Taichung
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tip.
We have just started looking around. I may have landed a job with Hess. I was on the reserves list as I applied late. Going to visit the school tomorrow in Hsinchuang (Taipei County) for a look round and get a feel for it. I am travelling with my girlfriend so we need to find out if there are any other schools in that area for her to work in too otherwise it would mean a lot of travelling.
Shaun |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:41 am Post subject: |
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I have no information on a Wells English School anywhere.
It may be a new school, a recruiter pretending to be a school, an old school that has changed it's name or very small in a remote area.
Get a real address, terrestrial telephone number and name of the supervisor or manger in Chinese if you want relaible information on that school.
Wall Street is a Franchise school teaching adults. They have a few complaints but have not been accused of cheating or stealing from their teachers, yet.
Below average pay and a lot of out preparation and support work is required of their teachers.
Please read this.
http://www.geocities.com/taiwanteacher2002/Success.html
Good luck,
A. |
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Fortigurn
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Rice Paddy Daddy wrote: |
I have heard a lot about Wall Street.
I've known 2 or 3 guys from the gym that have worked there and all have, over the past year, quit working for wall street.
A really bad outfit to work for all way around, is what I've been told. Lots of negative comments about the English teacher supervisors at Wall Street, actually.
Not going to write much here but the hours are quite high for what you get paid and the line-level teacher supervisors are hard to work with. A few older guys from the U.K in their 50s that are really autocratic and lazy. They've really pisse d a lot of people off apparently. |
I think it depends on which branch you're at. That's usually the way with branch schools. I heard all the horror stories about Kojen, and only about 3 postitive stories, but I've worked there for the last 4 and a half months and loved every minute of it.
It's a bit of a gamble with the chain schools, that's the only real issue. |
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Pop Fly
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Rice Paddy Daddy wrote: |
I have heard a lot about Wall Street.
I've known 2 or 3 guys from the gym that have worked there and all have, over the past year, quit working for wall street.
A really bad outfit to work for all way around, is what I've been told. Lots of negative comments about the English teacher supervisors at Wall Street, actually.
Not going to write much here but the hours are quite high for what you get paid and the line-level teacher supervisors are hard to work with. A few older guys from the U.K in their 50s that are really autocratic and lazy. They've really pisse d a lot of people off apparently.
I'd suggest you avoid Wall Street and that you can find a better paying postion with a lot less stress and politics if you take the time to look. |
Typically, RPD has it wrong. There is one manager from the UK. He is actually quite a decent fellow. You'd find him at the Main Station Branch. The manager of Breeze is a nice, if somewhat innocent chap from South Africa. The manager from NanKing branch is anice enough American kid, but a yes-man, slightly sycophantic. Wouldn't do anything to jeopardize his standing. Comfortable and secure, far from innovative.
Now, the Panciao branch has a real wingnut running the show. A 60 year old yank greaseball who always tries to pick up the female students and continually uses "sex" as subject matter for his open classes.
Not sure who is running things at the ShiLing branch, but it is too close to the VP, the biggest damager of the lot.
The major ashole is the now Vice-President. This guy conned his way up thru the ranks and no amount of negative feedback about him has swayed the owner to remove him. He is from South Africa and if you have a head on your shoulders, you'll realize right off what a wanker this clown is. He is taking complete control of everything, and he couldn't teach his way out of a wet paper tiger.
As the others have said...the pay is shite...you have to work weekends....and this creep at the top should be enough to deter even the most desperate of teacher-wannabes.
And...you have to wear a tie.
Stay away from The Paul Street Institution. |
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Rice Paddy Daddy
Joined: 11 Jul 2004
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: |
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I wasn't going to respond to this unsavoury character but over the last few days, considering who Pop Fly is, I thought it would be in the best interests of the readers if I commented on this shyster / huckster.
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The major ashole is the now Vice-President. This guy conned his way up thru the ranks and no amount of negative feedback about him has swayed the owner to remove him. He is from South Africa and if you have a head on your shoulders, you'll realize right off what a *beep* this clown is. He is taking complete control of everything, and he couldn't teach his way out of a wet paper tiger.
Stay away from The Paul Street Institution |
Sour grapes, eh Pop Fly!
You were most likely hoping that they would've called it The Street Institute of English 
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As the others have said...the pay is *beep*...you have to work weekends....and this creep at the top should be enough to deter even the most desperate of teacher-wannabes.
And...you have to wear a tie. |
Pop Fly, you've told people that you liked wearing a tie and how businesslike wearing a tie is.
Funny, you can't seem to make up your mind because you made the following comments last fall and had the audacity to attack other posters who had pointed out the flaws of the Wall Street Institute and the problems with management there:
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Okay....it's 27 hours and 3 admin. hours that are only in place if your manager needs you to do something admin-related.
...Don't forget....gauranteed hours....a schedule that doesn't change....a professional environment...clean, friendly.... |
But now, in your most recent post you criticize the Wall Street school for it's weekend schedules.
Then, you went on to rave ad naseum about the management at The Wall Street Institute of English:
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| If you need some time off to escape to Bali, or to nip home for a wedding, then talk to your manager. They need about a month's notice before taking any vacation as the scheduling is pretty intricate and detailed, but they are a reasonable management team. You can have the time off if you want it. |
| Pop Fly wrote: |
| ....but they (the management) are the best team I have experienced in Taiwan. |
Again, here you continue to sell the readers on your high opinion of Wall Street management.
| Pop Fly wrote: |
| The one word I would use to describe the management team is "organized". |
However, surprisingly, you made these recent comments about the Wall Street mangement:
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The manager from NanKing branch is anice enough American kid, but a yes-man, slightly sycophantic. Wouldn't do anything to jeopardize his standing. Comfortable and secure, far from innovative....
....the Panciao branch has a real wingnut running the show. A 60 year old yank greaseball who always tries to pick up the female students and continually uses "sex" as subject matter for his open classes....
....The major ashole is the now Vice-President. This guy conned his way up thru the ranks and no amount of negative feedback about him has swayed the owner to remove him. He is from South Africa and if you have a head on your shoulders, you'll realize right off what a *beep* this clown is. He is taking complete control of everything, and he couldn't teach his way out of a wet paper tiger. |
Pop Fly, I see a pattern here with your attitude and behavour. I'll comment on that later in this post.
So you were realy impressed with the 'unique' approach taken by Wall Street in its teaching methodology, were you? What do you know about teaching methodology that makes you an authority in area of language learning and pedagogy? Are you even aware of the various language teaching methodologies? Do you have any formal EFL training?
| Pop Fly wrote: |
| ...the methodology is quite intense and unique....With schools in 27 countries and over 1 million students, WSI has a way to teach ESL that few others can emulate. Sticking to this method is important |
Now, not only has Pop Fly had problems at Wall Street, it seems that he's also had problems with the people at Kojen (formerly known as ELSI):
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| ...there are no resources for the foreign staff administratively speaking....go elsewhere....stay away...it is the plague....Throw out yer dead...throw out yer deee-aaad |
Readers, interestingly it seems Pop Fly didn't get along with a manager at Kojen either:
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| I got stuck with the worst possible director. She runs her school using fear and intimidation. I requested transfer many times and was told I needed to get corroberation (sp?) from a co-teacher detailing the conflict. |
Conflict appears to follow Pop Fly wherever he seems to go.
Anything you write or say doesn't have even the slightest degree of credibiltiy to it.
In sum, Pop Fly, you have serious character flaws.
Last edited by Rice Paddy Daddy on Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:45 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Rice Paddy Daddy
Joined: 11 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Pop Fly,
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| So I warn people about them. |
And I'm warning people about you
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| As for my change in tune about WSI, amazing what a difference a year makes. You've never changed your mind or discovered that things aren't as rosy as they first appear. |
Oddly enough, you didn't have this humble attitude with the posters who criticized Wall Street last fall here on Dave's ESL, did you.
In fact, you came across as pompous and very arrogant, as well as incapbale of seeing anything other than what you were seeing through those'rose' tinted glasses. You had the nerve to tell the posters that they were wrong and that they were uninformed (re. your response to Brian, et al).
It's your attitude, Pop Fly.
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| You, however, are a boring pedant. If you are who I think you are, I sat in on one of your classes once. My gawd, what a colossal bore you are. A conversation class where you do all the talking....wonderful. |
Pop Fly, you are now assuming, and you know what they say about people who assume - LOL!! In one breath you claim never to "fling poo" on the internet "willy-nilly" Yet, minutes later you take a wild and incorrect shot in the dark that you have met me or know me and unload with a barrage of negative comments.
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| Unlike other irresposible posters who fling poo about the web willy-nilly and hither-thither. |
Well, at this point, I guess you've contradicted yourself so many times both here and on forumosa that I just don't have the time or energy right now to post them.
You know, If you had a nicer way of dealing with people - without the arrogance, then you wouldn't find youself being a target for some people and you wouldn't have so many problems with your supervisors and managers.
How many people have you insulted and criticized today - from managers, teachers and posters on this forum?
Time you check yourself, Pop Fly.
Where does this overconfidence and arrogance come from?
A newfound sense of humility would do you and your career good. |
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Pop Fly
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Rice Paddy Daddy wrote: |
Pop Fly,
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| So I warn people about them. |
And I'm warning people about you
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| As for my change in tune about WSI, amazing what a difference a year makes. You've never changed your mind or discovered that things aren't as rosy as they first appear. |
Oddly enough, you didn't have this humble attitude with the posters who criticized Wall Street last fall here on Dave's ESL, did you.
In fact, you came across as pompous and very arrogant, as well as incapbale of seeing anything other than what you were seeing through those'rose' tinted glasses. You had the nerve to tell the posters that they were wrong and that they were uninformed (re. your response to Brian, et al).
It's your attitude, Pop Fly.
Pop Fly Wrote:
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| You, however, are a boring pedant. If you are who I think you are, I sat in on one of your classes once. My gawd, what a colossal bore you are. A conversation class where you do all the talking....wonderful. |
Pop Fly, you are now assuming, and you know what they say about people who assume - LOL!! In one breath you claim never to "fling poo" on the internet "willy-nilly" Yet, minutes later you take a wild and incorrect shot in the dark that you have met me or know me and unload with a barrage of negative comments.
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| Unlike other irresposible posters who fling poo about the web willy-nilly and hither-thither. |
Well, at this point, I guess you've contradicted yourself so many times both here and on forumosa that I just don't have the time or energy right now to post them.
You know, If you had a nicer way of dealing with people - without the arrogance, then you wouldn't find youself being a target for some people and you wouldn't have so many problems with your supervisors and managers.
How many people have you insulted and criticized today - from managers, teachers and posters on this forum?
Time you check yourself, Pop Fly.
Where does this overconfidence and arrogance come from?
A newfound sense of humility would do you and your career good. |
I and my career are fine, but thanks for asking.
I have no problems. I am content and happy. I have a good job and many friends. I have insulted you only because you keep insulting me. I will be here long after you've gone back to wherever you were boring people before you came here to bore people.
Warn people about me? Whatever for? I don't hire anyone. I am just another peon in this ever-widening pool of the ESL workforce.
Your vitriole towards me leads me to believe that you are the same guy that hounded me through my thread at forumosa. When I was working on that project, I freely admit my hubris got the better of me. But it wasn't until the likes of you came thundering down on me that I got defensive and therefore insulting. You also seem to think that I am in some sort of hot water over all that crapola at forumosa. Au contraire, my addle-minded friend. No one here cares much about what goes on with websites such as these. The supply of teachers that saw thru the bullpuckey at forumosa and your attempting libel here at Dave's know me to be a fun, dedicated professional. And they are making lots of money while teaching fun and interesting people. So libel away little man. Do your worst. I am not in the recruiting end of things, in fact, I don't deal with the foriegn staff at all. I could. I am just too busy with other things now.
You also refer to an argument I had with Brian about WSI. Well, why not ask him how he feels that argument was resolved. He wrote to me thanking me for the mature way we discussed our points/counterpoints and how we were able to resolve our differences in an ultimately adult fashion.
WSI was a good place to work for. Still is if you can stay under the radar. If you just want a mindless paycheck that you can count on each month without having to deal with snot-nosed kids, WSI is such a place.
Your allegations that all the managers at WSI are useless was not right. In fact, the only guy that fit your description is a helluva guy who would give me an amazing letter of reference if I asked him for one. The guy I have my main malfunction with would knock even you from your high perch. This thread asked about WSI. You provided erroneous information. I corrected you. So you launch into yet another tirade against me. Truth hurt?
Go back to your books, pedant. And stop libeling the company I work for. Your contention is with me. They have done nothing to deserve your libel. You have a bone to pick, pick it with me. |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:35 am Post subject: |
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RPD, I don't see why Pop Fly can't change his mind over a particular school. It may be that he has hassles with the management which others don't, but I can see how that would cause him not to recommend the school, even after some positive experiences.
And I don't think it necessarily means that the problem lay with him and not the management. |
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Rice Paddy Daddy
Joined: 11 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Pop Fly,
I won't be lead down that road - LOL!!
Yes, my focus is purely on you and not Wall Street nor Cut and Corner.
I am questioning your integrity and character. Again, my sole purpose is to warn readers about you - not any English school you've worked for.
It appears that the truth is hurting you - Thin skinned?
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| I will be here long after you've gone back to wherever you were boring people before you came here to bore people. |
Now, you don't come across as an adult but instead more like a child. I cannot believe you actually wrote that. Makes you sound like some pirssly little 16 year old girl. LOL!!
If you re-read your post, you are the one who attacked the management at Wall Street:
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...the Panciao branch has a real wingnut running the show. A 60 year old yank greaseball who always tries to pick up the female students and continually uses "sex" as subject matter for his open classes.
...The major ashole is the now Vice-President. This guy conned his way up thru the ranks and no amount of negative feedback about him has swayed the owner to remove him. |
Moroever, you are beginning to mind-screw yourself here. I have never met you. You are doing now what you said you wouldn't do by making statements that you cannot support.
Pop Fly Wrote:
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| I am not in the recruiting end of things, in fact, I don't deal with the foriegn staff at all. |
Pop Fly, you are being dishonest again, I have read posts on forumosa and Dave's where you have told other posters that you wanted them to contact you because you were interested in hiring them.
On other threads, you tell some posters that you wouldn't hire them (as if you were in the position to hire teachers).
As well, you have put out a call for teachers to apply to teach with Cut and Corner.
Again, you have lied so many times that you now find yourself confused and actually don't remember what you've lied and haven't lied about.
Pop Fly, you are a typical blamer. You blame other people for your own personality flaws and errors in judgement.
To conclude, you are a typical fast-talking shyster whose single most important motivation is to profit financially from the EFL styem here in Taiwan even if it means taking advantage of local and foreign teachers. |
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Pop Fly
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Twist away RPD.....change my words around to mean whatever you want. I don't care.
The ironic thing is that we agreed that WSI is not the best choice. I had the audacity to point out that you were wrong about the make-up of the management there and you launch into this personal attack. Who's the whiny little 16 yr old girl now?
I am not gonna explain myself to you. Keep living in that little world of yours. Warn people all you want about me. I am sure the readers all consider the source. |
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