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[Guest]

Hi, Everyone

I am new here.I am presently working in China and I wish to go somewhere else...I want to travel everywhere in the world so I just want to know what options and chances one Non-Native Speaker has not in one perticular country but around the world.

A little more about me

I am an Indian。Worked for 4 years totally （worked for 2 years Mainland China AND 2 years in India ）. I have Bachelor's Degree and TEFL TESL Certificate. I look like a Foreigner but yes I am definitely not blue eyes,blonde hair,fair skin.

I wanted to know following
1. If you are a Non Native Speaker which country you can work easily without the hassles of paperwork ?
2. Where can you get job easily considering fact that you are Native Speaker ?
3. Where are you respected and where you are not?
4. Where you can get a good salary and where you can't ?

SORRY ! If this questions are being asked again but I couldn't find it.
I even went through the Search on the same.....but I didn't get my answer. Any Response would be appreciated.
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Maybe some of you might know this but still I start with China.


1. If you are a Non Native Speaker you can work easily without any hassles of paperwork because most of the school or Employee would get your Visa,Foreign Expert and Residence Permit.

2. Where can you get job easily considering fact that you are Non Native Speaker. Look for mid size cities and not for big cities.In fact in big cities you earn more and spend more. You save when you live in small place.
Maybe occassionally get comparison.Comparison would ve in order that they want to bargain for the salary. Nothing more if you don't have heavy accent.

3. It's the same the people in remote areas are frendlier than the ones in the city.

4. Anywhere between 3500-7000 RMB.You work more you will get more
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Instead I found many Native Speakers v/s Non-Native Speakers arguments. I am Non Native Speaker. I am an Indian working in China from last 2 years but I am proud to say that at the end of the month when we get pay check I get more than many of the Native Speakers.I get love and respect from my kids and chinese colleagues in my school.Have best of the Foreign freinds including Native and Non-Native Speakers....I think it's up to you how you see yourself. If you are good teacher nobody would deny it.If you are confident on who you are don't let people ridicule you.

I don't know where but I had heard this "It only matters if you believe in it"

As I think you get what you have to and you lose what you have to according who you are. You can't change who you are and where you were born or how you look.So all those who are fighting.Accept the Reality on who you are. Know your limitation and strengths.Plan your good future and be Happy. Don't Compare. Don't Fight. KISS --Keep It Simple Stupid

[Jolly]

[ola_zajac]

Don't listen to Jolly. If your English is good you can teach everywhere.
The truth is that a non-native speakers are very often better teachers of English as a Foreign Language than natives as they know every pain a learner must go through to speak English fluently.
And saying the truth - very often they know things about English the natives do not even think about - its theory, history, phonetics and phonology, etc.
And what's more - They can remember very well what they did to learn English well ( an answer to a very popular Chinese question). That makes them very useful for their Students and many countries invite them to teach arm in arm with native speakers of English.
Just search through the net and you will find many interesting offers .

[ls650]

[ola_zajac]

second and third mind your own business

[ls650]

[ola_zajac]

Ok, so answer her question .

[ls650]

Actually, I think Jolly did a reasonably good job of expressing my sentiments, though I don't think I'd have been quite so blunt.

[Stephen Jones]

Dear disha

May I suggest you would get more respect and a better salary if you set about improving your own English before applying for jobs teaching it to others.,

[dmb]

I worked with a number of Indian teachers in the Gulf- they were more experienced though.

[Roger]

On the plus side you have an unusually positive outlook, which may explain why you have enjoyed that amount of respect that you claimed in your post.
I would second Jolly too - your own country needs teachers, and so does China. Teaching your way around the world is not a concrete option.

By the way, what would you like to teach? We don't all teach the same subject even though we all are English teachers.

[Guest]

HI ! EVERYONE

First of all thank you for replying back..... as I thought nobody would reply back.Well some were off topic and didn't answer the questions I mentioned.

Jolly : The next best place for you would probably be India.
Thanks for your suggestion and so called bluntness by ls650 !!! Not offended ....I guess if anyone wants to work in India he/she has to be very intelligent and hard-working....and I think I am...I can do that.

ola_zajac : Thanks for your encouragement.....but I really don't want to debate about whether Native Speakers or Non -Native Speakers are good teachers. I believe every person has their own weakness and strengths irrespective of their NATIONALITY AND SKIN COLOR.I hope you can understand that.

Stephen Jones : Thank you so much....I always try to learn something new...People who think they are perfect ....are the stupidest people on this earth...by thinking themselves to be PERFECT and CLEVER.

I have sincere request that if you can't appreciate others then please don't criticize.

MEMBERS WHO WISH TO DEBATE ON WHETHER NATIVE SPEAKERS OR NON-NATIVE SPEAKERS ARE GOOD TEACHERS. OR WHO ARE RACIST.PLEASE DON'T REPLY HERE. YOU CAN ALWAYS POST YOUR OPINIONS AND COMMENTS ON THREADS LIKE

" Would you learn from a non-native speaker?"

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=4816&highlight=non+native+speaker

and I think there are many other Posts for the same OR You can always post a New Topic.

PLEASE ! DON'T SEND OFF TOPIC REPLIES.

PLEASE ! REPLY ONLY

IF YOU ARE A NATIVE SPEAKER AND IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ON WHERE NON-NATIVE SPEAKERS CAN WORK IN THIS WORLD. IF YOU HAD SOME COLLEAGUES OR FRIENDS WHO WERE NON-NATIVE SPEAKERS. YOU CAN SHARE YOUR EXPEREINCE.

IF YOU ARE A NON-NATIVE SPEAKER WORKING IN SOME COUNTRY AS AN EFL TEACHER.YOU CAN SHARE YOUR EXPEREINCE.

Thank You ! Peace and Love from Disha

[dyak]

[moonraven]

disha:

As my experience hiring and training teachers has been limited to Latin America, I am afraid my perspective may be limited.

However, when I was directing a franchise of the largest EFL organization here in Mexico, I did not hire native speakers. I hired and trained folks from the local community--in the majority, students who had finished our program.

Here are my reasons:

1. I wanted to provide jobs for locals (one way of my justifying teaching EFL);

2. It was good for business (enrollment) that folks who studied with us could count on being trained as an EFL teacher if they were among the top students upon finishing our program;

3. As one of the other posters mentioned, non-native speakers not only know what they went through to learn the language but also have a more "formal" grasp of the structure and grammar of the language;

4. Several of the folks I trained had already been working as teachers for quite a few years, and therefore had teaching skills;

5. The native speakers who turned up on the school's doorstep and expected to be given a job because they spoke English were a highly problematic group of candidates--arrogant, ignorant, had never taught anything, some were on the lam from the law in the US, etc. I saved myself, the school and our students a lot of headaches by giving them a pass.

That being said, I can tell you that just about everyone I trained is still teaching EFL--and except for one or two of them, they are working for different schools than the one I directed.

I can also say that two of them have been teaching in the US in bilingual public schools for a number of years now--in programs that also paid for their masters degrees.

The bottom line has to do with your determination. If you really want to teach in other countries, keep working at that goal.

[Nauczyciel]

I used to have an Indian colleague teaching English at a school in Poland. He wasn't invited there though - I mean, he had already been in Poland when the school opened up and needed foreign staff (incidentally, he was fired few months later due to negligence and lack of professionalism). The school hired new foreign teachers some time ago, but this time they considered only native speakers from the UK, Australia, the USA etc. In fact, my school seems the only school in Poland I have ever heard of that employed non-native English foreign teachers. It also seems that the immigration office wasn't happy issuing him with working permit, questioning the school's explanation that they needed an Indian citizen to teach English.

If I may suggest something, try to get a higher degree and expand your experience. I am afraid it won't be easy for you to find a job in Europe. I don't know about Asia. But maybe I'm wrong?