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judogirl
Joined: 26 May 2005
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 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: Beware of Andrew Lin |
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About a month ago I askked if anyone had heard of Chicago American school and no one had. I now have some first hand info.
Do not trust a recruiter named Andrew Lin. He has found several people from this website. I flew to Taiwan out of pocket trusting his word and it was many many lies, from work schedule, to salary, to the school's position on extra tutoring, and even vacation time.
When I decided again signing the contract I advised the school owner that this was going on. She seemed unconcerned and response was "well, he does exaggerate." So, if you sign with that school, make sure you know what you are agreeing to, and if you get an email from Andrew Lin, delete it! |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear about your experience, but thanks for the update.
So did you manage to find yourself an alternative position? |
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Big John Stud
Joined: 07 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Beware of Andrew Lin |
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| judogirl wrote: |
About a month ago I askked if anyone had heard of Chicago American school and no one had. I now have some first hand info.
Do not trust a recruiter named Andrew Lin. He has found several people from this website. I flew to Taiwan out of pocket trusting his word and it was many many lies, from work schedule, to salary, to the school's position on extra tutoring, and even vacation time.
When I decided again signing the contract I advised the school owner that this was going on. She seemed unconcerned and response was "well, he does exaggerate." So, if you sign with that school, make sure you know what you are agreeing to, and if you get an email from Andrew Lin, delete it! |
Judogirl did you get a job with a different school or company?
I feel for you, because I was taken once too! Same way, the owner of the agency told me nothing but lies. To make a long story short, I finally quit because every pay day, I owed the agency money. The agency still owes me October and half of November of 2003 salary. I have a lawyer who doesn't really care, because he is not making any money.
I explained all this because if the school doesn't care if Andrew Lin is lying then they must like morals! Becareful!
P.S. why judogirl? I earned a black belt, sho-Dan in Japan. |
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judogirl
Joined: 26 May 2005
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Location: canada
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| i had an intervie last nite for a job i wod be much happierwith anyway. unfotunately this job wld have paid my airfareso i could have saved $1700 if i had just taken that oe in the first place. but i guess lessons are sometimes expensive. |
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Big John Stud
Joined: 07 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| judogirl wrote: |
| i had an intervie last nite for a job i wod be much happierwith anyway. unfotunately this job wld have paid my airfareso i could have saved $1700 if i had just taken that oe in the first place. but i guess lessons are sometimes expensive. |
Yea lessons are sometimes expensive! But at least you were not taken as much as I was! I am willing to bet that we are not the only ones who first find a job with a corrupt company and then find a sincere and honest company. I am going on my third year with my present employer.
Good luck to you! I am glad to know that everything turned out for the good. |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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There is no such thing as a good recruiter on Taiwan!
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Please read this.
Link to Success!
Good luck!
A. |
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Sheep-Goats
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| judogirl wrote: |
| i had an intervie last nite for a job i wod be much happierwith anyway. unfotunately this job wld have paid my airfareso i could have saved $1700 if i had just taken that oe in the first place. but i guess lessons are sometimes expensive. |
1700CND right? That's a pricey airplane.
Consider that money well spent, though -- even if you don't make back that cash. You'll get a much better job conditions-wise, at least, now that you're here. You would have had to spend that cash to get here for most of the honest jobs anyway. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| There is no such thing as a good recruiter on Taiwan! |
Yes, and all foreign teachers are unreliable backpackers.
No matter what color you use and what size font you choose, both of these statements are ridiculous generalizations, based upon the worst examples. |
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Tornado2080
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I been on this forum for barely 3 days and I already receive an e-mail from him. lol |
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Big John Stud
Joined: 07 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| Aristotle wrote: |
| [color=red]There is no such thing as a good recruiter on Taiwan! |
Yes, and all foreign teachers are unreliable backpackers.
No matter what color you use and what size font you choose, both of these statements are ridiculous generalizations, based upon the worst examples. |
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Aristotle makes Taiwan sound so scary! |
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judogirl
Joined: 26 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| I been on this forum for barely 3 days and I already receive an e-mail from him. lol |
good, if i can save one person from the same crap i went though i'm glad i posted this. |
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Tornado2080
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
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In case if anyone wants to know more info...this is what I got in my mailbox, and it went to trash within 5 seconds after I read the whole thing, why did I read the whole thing? just for the fun hence I've seem his bad reputation on here already.
From: ANDREW LIN <[email protected]>
Date: Jun 29, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: ESL Position : Come enjoy " palm tree " weather!
Dear Frank,
We read your posting on ESL Cafe. We really could not afford to lose a good teacher like you! Please keep our address as the reference of your next teaching destination! If you are interested in a teaching position in Taiwan, please send us brief resume ( CV ) and passport photo asap. We will provide more detailed info for you.Thank you very much!
If you are not available now, please keep our email as your future reference! Taiwan is a country with the combination of frigid zone countries' industrialization and tropical countries' warm hospitality. No anti-western sentiments at all.
ESL teacher's qualifications are: ( couple teachers only required one of them to be qualified )
1. 3-4 year university or college degree ( BA, Bsc with any major ) ( TESOL, TEFL or CELTA is not a must ) or
2. 1-3 year vocational or community college diploma ( in USA, it is called " associate degree ) plus TESOL or TEFL
Salary scale: Foreign teacher arrives with various purposes. Some like to visit around and some like to save the most money! It really depends on " Teaching hours " you have! Your salary ranges from NT$50,000-90,000 (2 million Won-3.5 million Won)(170,000Yen-350,000 Yen)( NT$ 1 = 39 Korea Won = 3.9 Japan Yen) (Canada Dollar$2,500-4,000) = 100-140 monthly teaching hours.
Here listed below is your package:
Housing assistance ( free western apartment style )
Paid vacation( 1-2 weeks ) & National Holidays & Unpaid leave
Insurance ( National Health Insurance including Dentist care ! )
Proper Visa & ARC ( Alien Residence Certificate ) ( legit is the best policy )
Guranteed hours ( 100 Hours ) w/ extra hours available ( up to 50 hours )
Extra hours paid
Promotion & increment system ( chnaces of being Head teacher or director )
Planned curriculum w/ complete teaching materials ( plus your own creation & talent )
Small class size ( 8-15 ) w/ low intensity curriculum & schedule
No changes in class ( you work like human being )
Employee Tour of Taiwan
Employee meal ( only for Day time shift )
Language learning assistance ( Mandarin school )
Orientation & Training Provided ( Paid for observing in classroom ) ( you won't be put on front line immediately )
Teaching Material ( Curriculum, books, DVD, VCD & CD & Tapes ) ( Imported from USA, UK & Canada )
Private Tutoring Referral ( Tax Free )
Airport pick up service ( luxury sedan )
Free Temporary Housing ( Not fancy " Lonely Planet " recommended Hotel Rooms for teachers to go through jetlag! )
If you are interested, please notify us with contact telephone number at any time!
This is a free service on teacher's side. No fee incurred! I am a teacher and am hired by schools!
No scum at all! Please feel free to contact. Sorry to occupy your time to read and thanks for your patience!
Cheers,
Andrew Lin
Office: 886 4 2278 4502 ( Dial without adding any number )
Mobile: 886 936 825 351
PS. Teachers you could verify for positive and negative sides:
1. Jade ( Canadian from Saskatoon ): [email protected]
2. Alicia ( Canadian from Saskatchewan ): [email protected]
3. Jeff ( Canadian from Hamilton ): [email protected]
4. Jack ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
5. Judy ( American from Miami ): [email protected]
6. Mary ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
7. David ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
8. Cem: ( British from London ): [email protected]
9. Jeff ( American from Texas ): [email protected]
10. Jeremy ( Canadian from Ontario ): [email protected] |
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Tornado2080
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
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| The "package" did sound a little too good to be true. |
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judogirl
Joined: 26 May 2005
Posts: 14
Location: canada
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In case if anyone wants to know more info...this is what I got in my mailbox, and it went to trash within 5 seconds after I read the whole thing, why did I read the whole thing? just for the fun hence I've seem his bad reputation on here already.
From: ANDREW LIN <[email protected]>
Date: Jun 29, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: ESL Position : Come enjoy " palm tree " weather!
Dear Frank,
We read your posting on ESL Cafe. We really could not afford to lose a good teacher like you! Please keep our address as the reference of your next teaching destination! If you are interested in a teaching position in Taiwan, please send us brief resume ( CV ) and passport photo asap. We will provide more detailed info for you.Thank you very much!
If you are not available now, please keep our email as your future reference! Taiwan is a country with the combination of frigid zone countries' industrialization and tropical countries' warm hospitality. No anti-western sentiments at all.
ESL teacher's qualifications are: ( couple teachers only required one of them to be qualified )
1. 3-4 year university or college degree ( BA, Bsc with any major ) ( TESOL, TEFL or CELTA is not a must ) or
2. 1-3 year vocational or community college diploma ( in USA, it is called " associate degree ) plus TESOL or TEFL
Salary scale: Foreign teacher arrives with various purposes. Some like to visit around and some like to save the most money! It really depends on " Teaching hours " you have! Your salary ranges from NT$50,000-90,000 (2 million Won-3.5 million Won)(170,000Yen-350,000 Yen)( NT$ 1 = 39 Korea Won = 3.9 Japan Yen) (Canada Dollar$2,500-4,000) = 100-140 monthly teaching hours.
notice his conversions don't match up
Here listed below is your package:
Housing assistance ( free western apartment style )yup
Paid vacation( 1-2 weeks ) & National Holidays & Unpaid leave nopaid vacation
Insurance ( National Health Insurance including Dentist care ! )
Proper Visa & ARC ( Alien Residence Certificate ) ( legit is the best policy )yup
Guranteed hours ( 100 Hours ) w/ extra hours available ( up to 50 hours )contract states you should not try to get extra hours though if the school needs it you do. once they have more teachers you get cut
Extra hours paid
Promotion & increment system ( chnaces of being Head teacher or director )not that i heard of
Planned curriculum w/ complete teaching materials ( plus your own creation & talent )yes but still need to be there an hour before and aftrer for planning
Small class size ( 8-15 ) w/ low intensity curriculum & schedule
No changes in class ( you work like human being )
Employee Tour of Taiwan never heard about that once i was here
Employee meal ( only for Day time shift ) if u teach acooking class
Language learning assistance ( Mandarin school ) nope, andrew said they would enroll me in iniversity on saturdays to study mandarin, turns out you teach saturadys and the school never heard of this
Orientation & Training Provided ( Paid for observing in classroom ) ( you won't be put on front line immediately ) some weird office hours thing that you have to put in all these hours for a discounted rate your first month even if you are just sitting around doing nothing
Teaching Material ( Curriculum, books, DVD, VCD & CD & Tapes ) ( Imported from USA, UK & Canada )
Private Tutoring Referral ( Tax Free ) nope, contract states you are not allowed to take any employment outside their contract
Airport pick up service ( luxury sedan )
Free Temporary Housing ( Not fancy " Lonely Planet " recommended Hotel Rooms for teachers to go through jetlag! ) holy crap i should post pics of that hotel, also andrew said he would pick me up at 10 the next morning because school wanted me there by 11 and he didn't show up till 1130 with no explaination.
other people recruited by him had similar stories. this is the same as my first mail from him, i got several more promising bigger and beter things allthe time. like i said, expensive lesson but everything is working out good now.
If you are interested, please notify us with contact telephone number at any time!
This is a free service on teacher's side. No fee incurred! I am a teacher and am hired by schools!
No scum at all!
only scum is andrew lin
Please feel free to contact. Sorry to occupy your time to read and thanks for your patience!
oh and i wrote to a couple of these people and got no replies so i'm not sure they exist.
Cheers,
Andrew Lin
Office: 886 4 2278 4502 ( Dial without adding any number )
Mobile: 886 936 825 351
PS. Teachers you could verify for positive and negative sides:
1. Jade ( Canadian from Saskatoon ): [email protected]
2. Alicia ( Canadian from Saskatchewan ): [email protected]
3. Jeff ( Canadian from Hamilton ): [email protected]
4. Jack ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
5. Judy ( American from Miami ): [email protected]
6. Mary ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
7. David ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
8. Cem: ( British from London ): [email protected]
9. Jeff ( American from Texas ): [email protected]
10. Jeremy ( Canadian from Ontario ): [email protected] |
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judogirl
Joined: 26 May 2005
Posts: 14
Location: canada
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| Tornado2080 wrote: |
In case if anyone wants to know more info...this is what I got in my mailbox, and it went to trash within 5 seconds after I read the whole thing, why did I read the whole thing? just for the fun hence I've seem his bad reputation on here already.
From: ANDREW LIN <[email protected]>
Date: Jun 29, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: ESL Position : Come enjoy " palm tree " weather!
Dear Frank,
We read your posting on ESL Cafe. We really could not afford to lose a good teacher like you! Please keep our address as the reference of your next teaching destination! If you are interested in a teaching position in Taiwan, please send us brief resume ( CV ) and passport photo asap. We will provide more detailed info for you.Thank you very much!
If you are not available now, please keep our email as your future reference! Taiwan is a country with the combination of frigid zone countries' industrialization and tropical countries' warm hospitality. No anti-western sentiments at all.
ESL teacher's qualifications are: ( couple teachers only required one of them to be qualified )
1. 3-4 year university or college degree ( BA, Bsc with any major ) ( TESOL, TEFL or CELTA is not a must ) or
2. 1-3 year vocational or community college diploma ( in USA, it is called " associate degree ) plus TESOL or TEFL
Salary scale: Foreign teacher arrives with various purposes. Some like to visit around and some like to save the most money! It really depends on " Teaching hours " you have! Your salary ranges from NT$50,000-90,000 (2 million Won-3.5 million Won)(170,000Yen-350,000 Yen)( NT$ 1 = 39 Korea Won = 3.9 Japan Yen) (Canada Dollar$2,500-4,000) = 100-140 monthly teaching hours.
notice his conversions don't match up
Here listed below is your package:
Housing assistance ( free western apartment style )yup
Paid vacation( 1-2 weeks ) & National Holidays & Unpaid leave nopaid vacation
Insurance ( National Health Insurance including Dentist care ! )
Proper Visa & ARC ( Alien Residence Certificate ) ( legit is the best policy )yup
Guranteed hours ( 100 Hours ) w/ extra hours available ( up to 50 hours )contract states you should not try to get extra hours though if the school needs it you do. once they have more teachers you get cut
Extra hours paid
Promotion & increment system ( chnaces of being Head teacher or director )not that i heard of
Planned curriculum w/ complete teaching materials ( plus your own creation & talent )yes but still need to be there an hour before and aftrer for planning
Small class size ( 8-15 ) w/ low intensity curriculum & schedule
No changes in class ( you work like human being )
Employee Tour of Taiwan never heard about that once i was here
Employee meal ( only for Day time shift ) if u teach acooking class
Language learning assistance ( Mandarin school ) nope, andrew said they would enroll me in iniversity on saturdays to study mandarin, turns out you teach saturadys and the school never heard of this
Orientation & Training Provided ( Paid for observing in classroom ) ( you won't be put on front line immediately ) some weird office hours thing that you have to put in all these hours for a discounted rate your first month even if you are just sitting around doing nothing
Teaching Material ( Curriculum, books, DVD, VCD & CD & Tapes ) ( Imported from USA, UK & Canada )
Private Tutoring Referral ( Tax Free ) nope, contract states you are not allowed to take any employment outside their contract
Airport pick up service ( luxury sedan )
Free Temporary Housing ( Not fancy " Lonely Planet " recommended Hotel Rooms for teachers to go through jetlag! ) holy crap i should post pics of that hotel, also andrew said he would pick me up at 10 the next morning because school wanted me there by 11 and he didn't show up till 1130 with no explaination.
other people recruited by him had similar stories. this is the same as my first mail from him, i got several more promising bigger and beter things allthe time. like i said, expensive lesson but everything is working out good now.
If you are interested, please notify us with contact telephone number at any time!
This is a free service on teacher's side. No fee incurred! I am a teacher and am hired by schools!
No scum at all!
only scum is andrew lin
Please feel free to contact. Sorry to occupy your time to read and thanks for your patience!
oh and i wrote to a couple of these people and got no replies so i'm not sure they exist.
Cheers,
Andrew Lin
Office: 886 4 2278 4502 ( Dial without adding any number )
Mobile: 886 936 825 351
PS. Teachers you could verify for positive and negative sides:
1. Jade ( Canadian from Saskatoon ): [email protected]
2. Alicia ( Canadian from Saskatchewan ): [email protected]
3. Jeff ( Canadian from Hamilton ): [email protected]
4. Jack ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
5. Judy ( American from Miami ): [email protected]
6. Mary ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
7. David ( Canadian from Ottawa ): [email protected]
8. Cem: ( British from London ): [email protected]
9. Jeff ( American from Texas ): [email protected]
10. Jeremy ( Canadian from Ontario ): [email protected] |
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