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Mark Loyd
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject: half a degree |
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Welcome to our profession. |
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molly farquharson
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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get a real degree. |
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Mark Loyd
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Without a degree you will be doomed to working illegally with low pay and poor conditions and have no job security. Or what we call working in a language school. |
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molly farquharson
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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that's what you call it ML. Others call it a profession. Other professions require a univ degree. Half a degree is not enough, with or without experience. |
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Gamze
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Do you think thats its better to come to Istanbul and look for a job? I'm in London at the moment and finding it difficult to find a job from here even though I have a degree and a celta certificate. |
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erinyes

Joined: 02 Oct 2005 Posts: 272 Location: GuangDong, GaoZhou
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice. I guess we'll be staying in China for another year then. Hooray! |
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Frizzie Lizzie
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 123 Location: not where I'd like to be
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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If you follow up job vacancies posted on sites like tefl.com with an application directly to the school, you shouldn't have any problems securing a job from outside Turkey. The DOS of the school will arrange a convenient time with you for a phone interview, and then it's really up to you to do a good impression and get the job. |
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Mark Loyd
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Gamze wrote: |
Do you think thats its better to come to Istanbul and look for a job? I'm in London at the moment and finding it difficult to find a job from here even though I have a degree and a celta certificate. |
Cue the PM we all know is coming |
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Mark Loyd
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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molly farquharson wrote: |
that's what you call it ML. Others call it a profession. Other professions require a univ degree. Half a degree is not enough, with or without experience. |
But you said on this forum that you employ teachers without degrees if they have a lot of experience. You were willing to interview degreeless Adrian.  |
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molly farquharson
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Yes Mark/Adrian/31/elmekparasi, I agreed to interview him but I did not agree to hire him. When people like that (if they are real and not troublemakers like you) I can interview them and advise them on what they should do to be employable. That is my privilege as a PROFESSIONAL in this field. |
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Mark Loyd
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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You were going to interview him not for a job but to advise him on the career that he doesn't have. Perhaps you could give the same advice to one of your DOSes who is degreeless. |
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BERRY
Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 37
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: Degreless/Lang. Schools |
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I am startig to really like Mark Loyd - a man after my own heart!  |
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Frizzie Lizzie
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 123 Location: not where I'd like to be
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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They don't have DOSes at ET, Mark, they call them Head Teachers  |
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Mark Loyd
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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I know, the DOS I was referring to is at Interlang which as you know is part of the evil empire. |
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Frizzie Lizzie
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, degrees ARE important, but surely 11 years' experience in the TEFL world must mean something. |
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