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Ultraman · Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 2 Location: SE Asia

I've been lurking for a little while now. I think this is my first post...

I found this site that Gregor mentioned: http://groups.yahoo.china/group/efchina
I went and looked at it, and it's just a few of posts from ef doses, I guess. It's not a bad idea, though. You can contact individual schools this way. They take a lot of flame on Dave's, so it should be mentioned here.

Are there any other sites where we can get REAL information about schools, or at least contact info, rather than just heresay from possibly disgruntled teachers? If so, this should be a sticky.
Ultraman

Super Mario · Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:40 am Post subject:

It was a sticky for 2-3 years. Don't ask me why it went.
Here's one such site: http://www.chinatefl.com/indexe.asp

And another: http://www.findaschool.org/index.php?Country=China

And the kinds of places you seem interested in: www.tefl.com

Not that I necessarily recommend them, but at least its a starting point.

vikdk · Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676

problem is - that apart from setting up an independant inspector group - how on earth is it possible to get and correlate real objective information on any school or orginisation here - it's all heresay, and even a place one person likes could be anothers TESOL hell.
what we can assume though, is people who have a vested interest in an organisation, like EF'f DOS's, or those involved in recruiting, have an incentive to paint a rosier pic than the ordinary Joe - also the highly disgrutled also fill their posts with a lot of subjective clap trap - "fraid the best way of finding out is to contact those who work in places where there is a low conflict level - but these guys hardly ever post - nothing to whine about Sad

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vikdk · Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676

Im a kindy teacher rog - our punctuation lessons aint started yet Very Happy

Gregor · Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

Thanks for mentioning this Ultraman. Saves me the trouble.
I WOULD be happy if this was a sticky. In fact, I sent a PM to one of the mods about it, but I haven't heard back.

As for vikdk, I really don't know why I'm the only one who posts here. I never see other EF DoS comments here. I can't understand it, except to say that maybe they just don't use this forum, so how would they know? But it really doesn't matter THAT much. I mean, you could argue that I defend EF TOO much here. I mean, if it can't speak for itself and so many people have bad to say, then there must be some truth to the rumor, right?

I personally think that there is a lot of good to say about EF. But I seem to be in the minority.

But, again, what about other sites where you can get good information? Really, I don't care so much about EF per se. If it was a sucky school across the board, I'd say so and I wouldn't be working for them. My main concern - I swar to God - is helping out newbies. If they find some other good job to go to, then great. I hate for them to be put off of ANY school by naysayers with an axe to grind.
This thread should be a sticky, and it should include sites with information (not corporate flag waving) about Shane, Future School, Talenty, any chain schools.
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Super Mario · Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:22 am Post subject:

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