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What do you think of the EF 10% scam?
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bnix



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 11:13 pm    Post subject: Alex and His Crystal Ball Reply with quote
Hey,you guys,you should give Alex the RESPECT he deserves...after all he is an EXPERT and apparently the possessor of a crystal ball.too.... Laughing
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Cobra



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So who is Alex?
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alex is the guy who is pointing out all the mistakes that bnix is posting here. bnix knows everything about everywhere but when he's asked to back up what he says he usually can't!
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Cobra



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alex and bnix I think each of you contributes a great deal to this sandbox but please emember we are all in the same sandbox!

Why make everything so personal. We all have opinions based upon our own experiences but none of us are experts on anything in China because everything is different Province to Province, school to school. There are not even any Chinese experts on what is happening in China.

Everything is developing, not just the economy.

Why not just share what we know in a spirit of friendship?
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Peter



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Has anyone thought of the idea that EF Headoffice k n o w s about this very obvious fraud and lets it go since the initial fee is quite adequate?
And lets the francise be naughty so they are happy?

The teachers in the middle do not count in these corporate games, they are pawns
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MindTraveller



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seems one of the main points neglected is the question of ethics.

After working overseas, AND in the States, I've come to the conclusion that to be ethical, for the most part, requires a person to be independently wealthy. Being ethical on a job, from my experience, has more often caused me financial ruin as well as serious self-doubt.

What was and still is extremely painful for me is that many jobs don't want the teacher to be ethical - just get the material covered and write a test 85-95% of the students will pass.

I'm too old and too poor for ethics. If in a bad situation that a person can't stomach - see a pharmacist for some happiness pills if you can't lighten up on your own and aren't able to quit because of financial reasons.

Even the judicial system in the USA is flawed: you have to have money to fight a case, even if your case is just. The judicial system in many other countries I've been in is a joke, therefore making any kind of legal action useless.

For me, being raised an American with such a strong sense of justice .... it's pretty hard to find out that the rest of the world doesn't give a damn.

Yeah, although as part of my teaching credential program I had to take an ethics class.... C'est la vie.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:17 pm    Post subject: Naive ? Or arrogant ? Reply with quote
MINDTRAVELLER !

"the rest of the world does not give a damn"

So there are two places on Planet Earth ? The USA and Everywhere Else ?

Don't you find that a bit naive ? (Or arrogant ?)

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Cobra



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The man is obviously in agony so Scot to the rescue offers him a sword. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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SueH



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmmm,

I'm sure a lot of the world aren't very impressed with their own justice systems, but I'm sure Mindtravellers comments would raise an even hollower laugh.

I suspect the view of American justice in many countries is coloured by current US policy and external relations. To mention only one point; Guantanamo Bay hardly strikes me as a very good advertisement for any sense of justice or action in accordance with agreed international law.
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dduck



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SueH wrote:
To mention only one point; Guantanamo Bay hardly strikes me as a very good advertisement for any sense of justice or action in accordance with agreed international law.


Good point. For a country that calls itself the land of the free, I expected better. Although, it is understandable that a nation which has suffered such a cruel injury should react in such a barbaric manner. If you look back at the British treatment of the Irish during the conflict with the IRA I'm sure you'll be able to find similar barbaric acts. The difference is the British public have learned from these mistakes - they're a little more experienced. Whereas Americans still seem to be struggling with the emotional aftermath of 9/11. It'll be a while yet before the majority of Americans see that 'Guatanamo Bay' is a crime against humanity in itself.

Iain
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