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bnix · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 645

Hey,you guys,you should give Alex the RESPECT he deserves...after all he is an EXPERT and apparently the possessor of a crystal ball.too.... Laughing

Cobra · Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 436

So who is Alex?

Alex Shulgin · Joined: 20 Jul 2003 Posts: 553

Alex is the guy who is pointing out all the mistakes that bnix is posting here. bnix knows everything about everywhere but when he's asked to back up what he says he usually can't!

Cobra · Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 436

Alex and bnix I think each of you contributes a great deal to this sandbox but please emember we are all in the same sandbox!

Why make everything so personal. We all have opinions based upon our own experiences but none of us are experts on anything in China because everything is different Province to Province, school to school. There are not even any Chinese experts on what is happening in China.

Everything is developing, not just the economy.

Why not just share what we know in a spirit of friendship?

Peter · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 161

Has anyone thought of the idea that EF Headoffice k n o w s about this very obvious fraud and lets it go since the initial fee is quite adequate?
And lets the francise be naughty so they are happy?

The teachers in the middle do not count in these corporate games, they are pawns

MindTraveller · Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 89 Location: Oman

Seems one of the main points neglected is the question of ethics.

After working overseas, AND in the States, I've come to the conclusion that to be ethical, for the most part, requires a person to be independently wealthy. Being ethical on a job, from my experience, has more often caused me financial ruin as well as serious self-doubt.

What was and still is extremely painful for me is that many jobs don't want the teacher to be ethical - just get the material covered and write a test 85-95% of the students will pass.

I'm too old and too poor for ethics. If in a bad situation that a person can't stomach - see a pharmacist for some happiness pills if you can't lighten up on your own and aren't able to quit because of financial reasons.

Even the judicial system in the USA is flawed: you have to have money to fight a case, even if your case is just. The judicial system in many other countries I've been in is a joke, therefore making any kind of legal action useless.

For me, being raised an American with such a strong sense of justice .... it's pretty hard to find out that the rest of the world doesn't give a damn.

Yeah, although as part of my teaching credential program I had to take an ethics class.... C'est la vie.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

MINDTRAVELLER !

"the rest of the world does not give a damn"

So there are two places on Planet Earth ? The USA and Everywhere Else ?

Don't you find that a bit naive ? (Or arrogant ?)

Cobra · Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 436

The man is obviously in agony so Scot to the rescue offers him a sword. Rolling Eyes

SueH · Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Posts: 1022 Location: Northern Italy

hmmm,

I'm sure a lot of the world aren't very impressed with their own justice systems, but I'm sure Mindtravellers comments would raise an even hollower laugh.

I suspect the view of American justice in many countries is coloured by current US policy and external relations. To mention only one point; Guantanamo Bay hardly strikes me as a very good advertisement for any sense of justice or action in accordance with agreed international law.

dduck · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 422 Location: In the middle

Cobra · Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 436

That is "land of the free and home of the brave." The USA is very brave to house them in Communist Cuba where if they should escape, they would feel right at home.

Seriously, they are prisoners of war captured on enemy turf. If you bring them to real USA soil, a whole bunch of different rules would apply and that is why they remain in Cuba. Actually they are lucky in a way. There could have been a shoot only policy, take no prisoners. They could be dead with no hope at all.

War is hell and there is only final justice. You live or die by the gun, bomb, chemical etc.

Some of the prisoners in Cuba have already been sent home, and not in a box either.

What is my point, glad you asked. There is no justice in war or its aftermath.

MindTraveller · Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 89 Location: Oman

Sorry Scot, I didn't mean to say 'the USA and the rest of the world'. I meant that most places, INCLUDING the USA, when it comes to business and money, very few people follow any ethics.

Even the field of education in the USA is a business. Colleges and universities can be somewhat as exploitive as Korean hogwans with the hiring of part-time and adjunct professors.

MindTraveller · Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 89 Location: Oman

Historically, it's kind of interesting to look at World War II and the Germans. They didn't want to surrender to the Russians - but rather the Americans. Why? While on vacation in Bali, I met a German whose group had surrended to the Russians. He spent the next ten years in a labor camp.

Interesting fact of history I never learned in school.

I'd guess if the tables were turned on the guys in Cuba, you'd see dead Americans. War is hell and breaks all the rules. Just as dental care and dentists advertised 'preventive medicine with check-ups'., IMHO the world could do with some preventive war measures, with monthly checkups.

khmerhit · Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:42 am Post subject:

The Austrians BEGGED to be captured by the Americans rather than the Russians, just as the Germans of Berlin would have too, had they had the chance. Not only would the men be sent off to perish in labour camps, but every last woman was raped by the victors. Abortion clinics were set up everywhere.

Does this make the Americans saints by comparison? I think not. The Russians lost 20 million dead to the Germans, so they were understandably peeved.

Stephen Jones · Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124