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The Ultimate Lie!
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: The Ultimate Lie! Reply with quote

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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Lie! Reply with quote

Malsol wrote:
There are 20,000 rmb per month EFL teaching jobs in China.

If you say there are, prove it. Post the school name, the email address and the hours required.

Not all "EFL teaching" takes places in schools.
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brsmith15



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've known a few senior teachers, ones that have been at the game for 10+ years and are darn good at it, to be up in that bracket. Informatics is one place that pays for experience as well as quality...or so I've been told. A master's degree helps as does certitication. Teaching load at that level is about 15 hours a week.

But as far as your run-of-the-mill places are concerned, 10-12K is the most I've seen with 5K being about average, maybe even a tad on the high side depending on where you are.

Also, if you move away from pure ESL you can command higher pay. Even a course in Business Communications, which most ESL teachers could handle, usually comes with a better rate.
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bendan



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ncuk.ac.uk/index.php?p=10

I think the most of the posts saying people were making 20,000 a month were referring to people who work more than one job.


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saint57



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone, I believe Malsol's post is in response to a comment in a thread about getting a job with only a high school diploma. Another poster said he knows some people who only have high school diplomas and pull in more than 20,000 per month. Of course there are jobs that require highly qualified individuals that will pay 20,000 or more.
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: bendan Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was a poster here (up until early last year anyway) known as great wall of whiner. he claimed to have knowledge of well-paying jobs, upwards of RMB10-12,000 per month. but he would never, as far as i know, reveal their whereabouts. he no longer appears to be posting. maybe his posts were just another part of the sham that can be esl in china..... Very Happy
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: ?? Reply with quote

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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malsol wrote:
Business trainers can make that as can core business teachers. But that is NOT EFL.

EFL = English as a foreign language

Anyone teaching English to non-native speakers in a non-English-speaking country is teaching EFL. There are definitely people who can make more than RMB 20,000 per month teaching English in China. I have been one of them, teaching English to speakers of Chinese. It was not in a school. It was at an American corporation's main offices in Shanghai and at several branch offices.
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saint57



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No- no problem at all.

This year I have run into people who:

A) Have no university degrees and making over 20,000 RMB per month.


Henry, I believe you have earned over 20,000. If you get a job at an international school you can probably earn more. However, the 20,000 and over jobs are for qualified individuals. I've heard a lot of BS about salaries when I was in Korea and China and I think it's a negative thing.
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