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middleastman



Joined: 19 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:18 am    Post subject: mmm Reply with quote

but supposedly we makeup for it by having health insurance, more professional development options, and better resourced classrooms.

dont think so somehow.....and the salary is crap
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The_Hanged_Man



Joined: 10 Oct 2004
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Location: Tbilisi, Georgia

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: mmm Reply with quote

middleastman wrote:

dont think so somehow.....and the salary is crap


Actually my school upped their salaries this year which puts them above what most of the other American schools are paying. Is it better than the British Schools? No, but as an relatively inexperienced American teacher looking for his first post overseas those weren't an option. Is better than some of the gov't or corporate ESL positions? Nope, but again I'm a math teacher so I wouldn't qualify for those either. Really this was really the best I could do in Kuwait with my background and qualifications. So, calling my salary crap isn't very fair. I'm sure an oil geologist or engineer there would probably call any teacher's salary crap so it's all relative isn't it?
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Fred Bilbo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Kuwait

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A single person on 750KD per month or ($30,800 per annum) could save as much as 500KD per month, depending on life-style.

A car will cost between 100KD to 120KD rental per month ( teachers special) If you plan to be here 3 or 4 years lease to buy is a better option.

Despite VS believing she is pretty much right that "it is rare for K-12 to paid more than $25,000" In Kuwait there are many schools that do pay more. Generally EFL teachers are the lowest paid teachers and the average salary was 700KD, that is until Qualitas stepped into the ring.

Anyway I don't want to get into a 'tennis match' over salaries, suffice it to say, until teachers say NO to LOW salaries the situation won't change, you can make a difference. Just Say "NO TOO LOW"
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Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: USA

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanged man

You are correct that this is about the best you could do with your qualifications in not only Kuwait (which has never been one of the better pay locations of the Gulf), but in the Gulf in general.

It is nice to see a poster who is realistic about the pay scale for the beginner. Usually we get people with a BA in Liberal Arts who taught swimming once who thinks that they can show up and pull the big bucks. Laughing

Unfortunately wages and benefits are dropping in most of the Gulf including the Emirates. Employers will do what they can get away with... and if they can't, they will probably just give our jobs to other nationalities.

Good Luck, Hanged Man. I hope it all works out for you.

VS
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dmb



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway I don't want to get into a 'tennis match' over salaries,
then VS replied

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double post
Does that make a double fault? Confused

In that case 15-0 to Fred
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a funny guy you are!!

I managed to delete the duplication. Funny how sometimes you get the little X for delete and sometimes you don't.

I have been driven crazy with "ppBBB can't connect" screen this morning. I give up!! Must be too many people on the board. Shocked

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dmb



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh VS, you are naughty. You have deleted the evidence.

That makes it 30-0 to fred.

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I have been driven crazy with "ppBBB can't connect"


I know what you mean. I keep getting the critical error message. Can someone please explain to me.

i log onto around 20 websites a day(I know, get a life dmb) but only eslcafe has problems. Can anyone explain why.

Actually, my g/f uses a forum with the same format and she sometimes complains about not being able to log on . Can anyone explain to the idiot in my avatar why this is- no it's not me, but some claim there is a passing resemblance
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is with all the favoritism towards Fred?? Of course, he is one of our always helpful posters... but... is this a 'guys sticking together' thing?? 30 to 0? When do we get to 'luv'?

Your avatar doesn't look like you? Oh darn, I've always had a weakness for buckteeth... Sad I'm so disappointed...

I have always assumed that it is the large amount of traffic on this board, but what do I know. I have had problems on a couple of my other boards, but not as often... but they have significantly smaller membership and are not phpBB.

VS
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LadyBrettAshley



Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:53 am    Post subject: ASK Reply with quote

What a find!!! I have been looking, asking, and banging my head trying to learn as much as possible about life in Kuwait for families and teachers!!! You all are my silver lining...I hope. I have been offered a teaching position at ASK - I hold the employment contract in my hand. I have not signed it yet, because I have questions about moving my family to the Middle East. Is anyone willing to accept this task? (Helping me make an informed decision.) Thanks in advance.

LadyBrett
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dmb



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is anyone willing to accept this task?
go on VS, this is your chance to get back in the match.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's ASK?
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middleastman



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:42 am    Post subject: ASK Reply with quote

The american school of Kuwait
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I responded to this poster on her other thread. She should just start posting her questions so that someone can answer if they know... Cool

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LadyBrettAshley



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the prompt - I have searched the other forums...and posted in the newbie forum.

I guess to start...my foremost concern is safety. Of course the school is providing an apartment and the shuttle is a convienient way to travel to and from work, but is it secure? Is it safe to live in a compound for Americans and Westerners and travel daily, the same route with the same congregation of people? My concern stems from the threats aimed at Americans and Westerners as well as the anti-american sentiment prevelant in the region. I am not concerned about living among a population of a different culture...that is one of the highlights for my family. I just do not want to put my children in harms way... no amount of money is worth that.

Thanks for the input.

LadyBrett
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alyshia



Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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Location: Kuwait

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: safe Reply with quote

Hi,

ASK seems like a school with high security (I teach across the road from their campus). No-one saftely is Guarenteed though. There are NO compounds in Kuwait... apartment buildings that's all. I feel safe here in Kuwait... I don't have any security concerns and I live in a buildling with mostly american staff. We have a security guard in the lobby (who sleeps mostly). I feel safe anyway. .... If you're worried about saftey and are going to miss sleep with worry; better to stay in North America; where I assume you feel safe?
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