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What does it mean that so many Ex-Pats continue
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avolkiteshvara



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
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Location: Seattle US

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: What does it mean that so many Ex-Pats continue Reply with quote

to use Dave's ESL boards. The whole idea behind going abroad is to be immersed in a new culture. But a lot of people send a lot of time on these boards communicating with native English speakers. If going abroad is so great.....why the need to come here?

I am not making a judgement either way. I just want to stir up a little discussion and get people's thoughts.
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, part of it is because I like to hear other people's experiences, just to see if I might want to work in their country or in a similar program. And get advice about living and working conditions. When you've got a specific question and don't know exactly who in your school/community to ask, you can rest assured that there's probably someone on the forum who's got an answer. And part of it is because I really love this job and want to encourage others to give it a try.

And part of it is just plain ol' addiction!

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tedkarma



Joined: 17 May 2004
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Location: The World is my Oyster

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Denise.

But . . . particularly on this board - I feel some obligation to help people who are thinking about making the move overseas.

So many people have helped me find jobs, make good choices, figure where to go next - on Dave's!
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 28 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoy the culture here at Dave's. Lots of knowledgeable people (even though they sometimes get an attitude, myself included!).

This is just another resource that any *professional* would do well to use.


And I'm addicted... Embarassed

(from a former and maybe-future ex-pat)
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of us may work in pretty isolated locales and this might be the only or best chance to speak to other teachers who are in similar situations.

If we want to move to a new country, what better place to ask questions and learn? I think over time, it can get addictive too, so not completely healthy.
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the ironic thing is that the longer you teach the less you need to prepare. But also the lnger you teach the more likely you are to get work that doesnt require too many teaching hours. The result? A Lot of free time. What of the real benefits over not choosing a "real" career.Smile
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the ironic thing is that the longer you teach the less you need to prepare. But also the lnger you teach the more likely you are to get work that doesnt require too many teaching hours. The result? A Lot of free time. One of the real benefits over not choosing a "real" career.Smile
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Girl Scout



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a chance to chat with people about different topics. If you talk with your students, you always seem to answer the same question or discuss the same topics. If you talk to your co-works you are sharing the same experience. Again the conversations lack diversity. Here people are having different experiences and live in different areas of the world. Most threads on the board are nonrepetetive. I find it a break from the routine.
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QatarChic



Joined: 06 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with what others have said. Several people have given me lots of advice/useful info and I like to do the same. Its also nice to chat with people who are in the same field of work as myself and see what TEFL life is like in other parts of the world.........

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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:06 pm    Post subject: hi mom it's me Reply with quote

For me, Dave's is something like a surrogate, mobile family.


In fact I've met roughly 10 members and 1 moderator

up close & in person over the past five or six years.


Without exception, they have been very decent, well-read people;

the kind you'd take home to meet mom, if ya know what I mean?


It's nice to be able to share 'war stories' & learn from each other

as we move around from one corner of the globe to another.



The forum allows us to do just that; to stay in touch.



M�nchen, Constanţa, Istanbul, Tokyo, Chon-Ju, Manila ...

from a very chilly New Year's Eve spent on Red Square at -28C




to the chaotic traffic and tropical heat of downtown Bangkok



Dave's is always a welcome calm in the storm.







Cheers !













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ls650



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: What does it mean that so many Ex-Pats continue Reply with quote

avolkiteshvara wrote:
If going abroad is so great.....why the need to come here?
Why are ex-pat bars so successful in foreign countries? Because after being immersed in a foreign culture all day long, folks just want a little taste of their 'homeland'. This is an opportunity to 'escape' from the immersion and b�tch to my compatriots.
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avolkiteshvara



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the whole networking with other teachers and meeting intelligent people aspect.

I just wonder if this is ever like crutch that Expats use when they get "home sick".

I guess what I was trying to bring up.........it seems like there is a threshold at which Expats, either at a conscious or subconscious level, yearn for the familiar, their home. It seems ironic to purposely thrust your self into a new culture only to go pubs, online boards, and other places to talk with other English speakers. I don't think I am exempt from this either. It seems the non-ethnocentric, adventurous image I have of myself, and possibly others, isn't quite what we thought it is.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I come for the witty banter, but I keep coming back for the Dave's airmiles bonus.
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wildchild



Joined: 14 Nov 2005
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Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010

PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to think that it was crazy that one would blast the heater all winter long and then when spring finally comes and the first day that it gets hot (and that is what we have been waiting for all winter) we blast the air conditioner.

Perhaps we need an escape or variation. In a cold environment, you may want to be hot sometimes. But yes, sometimes we may go overboard. I remember once at a restaurant, they blasted the a/c so much that my food got cold before I could finish. Yeah that was kind of crazy: it's like 108 F outside, so one wears as little clothes as possible, yet when you enter a retaurant, you begin to freeze! So yes, we need an escape from the heat sometimes, just not too much cause the food will get cold.
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Gregor



Joined: 06 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The whole idea behind going abroad is to be immersed in a new culture.

What???
Not true at ALL. I didn't go abroad to become immersed in another culture. In fact, I wasn't particularly interested in the other culture at all. I wanted to improve my Spanish so I chose Mexico, but the reason I became an expat was to get OUT of my OWN native country's culture. That and because I wanted to try out this new teaching ESL thing (new to ME, that is).
The US is absurdly expensive and complicated to live in, and when I found out that there was no reason why I had to deal with that absurdity, I quit doing it. That's all.
Turned out that I DID like learning about languages and culture and life as an expat suited me, but that was certainly not why I did it in the first place.
Are there others like me, or are all of you the adventurous sort?
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