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Lynn
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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:41 pm Post subject: working Starbucks? |
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| What would you think if an ESL teacher worked at Starbucks? Is it a disgrace to the ESL teaching society? |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| No why? We all need to make ends meet and at times it means working somewhere or doing something we don't like. It is called making a living and ESL teaching is not exactly a high status job that everyone wants to reach. Am I missing something? Was this question posted as a jest and I fell for it? |
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khmerhit
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Well, i know this much---if i dont get teaching work soon then i shall be jumping behind the counter.
i seem to get supply work only, as i did today, but am hoping for more. and so are a lot of others, i suspect....
Would you like any particular flavour, ma'am?
We have, mocha, mocha with a twist, Hawaiian Hazel, Vanilla Nut, Irish Cr�me, French Vanilla, Wasatch, Vienna, Colombian, Kenya, Park City, Mocha Java, Kona, Northwest, Royal Cup, Hawaiian hazel with a twist....... |
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SweetOne
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| No, it's not a disgrace to the ESL teaching society, but speaks volumes of the world economy. |
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dyak
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Mine's a French Vanilla... will you bring it over to me or just shout at me when it's ready?  |
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gerard
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I would call it a step up and doing more good in the world...although Starbucks is wanker hoi polloi coffee but that is another matter.
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Glenski
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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What would you think if an ESL teacher worked at Starbucks? Is it a disgrace to the ESL teaching society? |
Personally, I think it is a moot point. Your visa probably won't permit it anyway. A work visa for Humanities Specialist is described as follows:
Activities to engage in service that requires knowledge pertinent to jurisprudence, economics, sociology, or other human science fields. Activities to engage in service that requires specific ways of thought or sensitivity based on experience with foreign culture, such as interpreting, translation, copywriting, fashion design, interior design, sales, overseas business, information processing, international finance, design, or public relations and advertising based on a contract with a public or private organization in Japan.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/04.html#b1a
Starbucks work might fall into the category of "sales", but I'm no expert on these matters. To work legally at Starbucks, you would probably need a different type of visa. Not sure of this, but it just sounds logical to me.
Of course, if you have a working holiday visa, dependent visa, or spouse visa, this doesn't apply. |
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Lynn
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What would you think if an ESL teacher worked at Starbucks? Is it a disgrace to the ESL teaching society? |
Personally, I think it is a moot point. Your visa probably won't permit it anyway. A work visa for Humanities Specialist is described as follows:
Activities to engage in service that requires knowledge pertinent to jurisprudence, economics, sociology, or other human science fields. Activities to engage in service that requires specific ways of thought or sensitivity based on experience with foreign culture, such as interpreting, translation, copywriting, fashion design, interior design, sales, overseas business, information processing, international finance, design, or public relations and advertising based on a contract with a public or private organization in Japan.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/04.html#b1a
Starbucks work might fall into the category of "sales", but I'm no expert on these matters. To work legally at Starbucks, you would probably need a different type of visa. Not sure of this, but it just sounds logical to me.
Of course, if you have a working holiday visa, dependent visa, or spouse visa, this doesn't apply. |
Sorry for the confusion, Glenski. I meant a US citizen working at Starbucks in the states. |
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gerard
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| w anke r is on the censored list??? Crazy. |
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Roger
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A step up or down the social ladder? A truly irrelevant point! I respect those lads and ladies that serve their customers in a STARBUCKS as much as I respect taxi drivers, cops, salespeople, you name them, I respect them!
Incidentally, today was the opening ceremony of Guangzhou's first STARBUCKS!
It drew crowds, and I took two Chinese there who felt it was very, very exciting and chic!
And, by the way, their coffee was thoroughly enjoyable! |
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Fargi_prc
Joined: 19 May 2003
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Location: Zhenjiang, PRC
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I can never say that working a second job is a bad thing. I uesd to have four at one time. But just as Gordon said, everyone has to make ends meet. There are prople who don't get paid what they'd like. I'm one of them and there are two ways you can go about it:
1. Earn more money and do something about it.
2. Whine and hope everything will be better.
Lynn, it's not a disgrace. A second job shows everyone that you are a hard worker. Everyone likes that. |
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Shaman
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
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| What would you think if an ESL teacher worked at Starbucks? |
If it works for you, what does it matter?
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| Is it a disgrace to the ESL teaching society? |
No. I don't think it would register a blip. There are far greater disgraces out there.
Shaman |
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Steiner
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Location: Hunan China
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| Unanimity! |
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Shonai Ben
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Don't worry about what everyone else thinks.
Do what you are comfortable with. |
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stil
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| No job is a disgrace. Not taking a job you need because of 'face' or whatever, that is a disgrace. |
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