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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| From the perspective of an AEON applicant, the OP really pisses me off. Right now I feel like I would be completely blessed to have AEON offer me a job. And this guy is bragging about turning one down. |
Whats even worse is that self-involved people like that actually get hired while people like you get shafted for obscure and irrational reasons. Life isn't fair, is it? |
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wolfman

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 189
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| wolfman wrote: |
| From the perspective of an AEON applicant, the OP really pisses me off. Right now I feel like I would be completely blessed to have AEON offer me a job. And this guy is bragging about turning one down. |
Whats even worse is that self-involved people like that actually get hired while people like you get shafted for obscure and irrational reasons. Life isn't fair, is it? |
Haha, no it sure isn't. Although, I'm pretty confident that if I and granted an interview, I can get the position. I'm a good candidate for it. I know what to expect from an eikaiwa, and I don't mind it. I'm repeating myself here but, it's aggravating to hear about someone being so cocky that they turned down a position that I'm dying to be interviewed for. |
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wolfman

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 189
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| wolfman wrote: |
| PAULH wrote: |
| wolfman wrote: |
| From the perspective of an AEON applicant, the OP really pisses me off. Right now I feel like I would be completely blessed to have AEON offer me a job. And this guy is bragging about turning one down. |
Whats even worse is that self-involved people like that actually get hired while people like you get shafted for obscure and irrational reasons. Life isn't fair, is it? |
Haha, no it sure isn't. Although, I'm pretty confident that if I and granted an interview, I can get the position. I'm a good candidate for it. I know what to expect from an eikaiwa, and I don't mind it. I'm repeating myself here but, it's aggravating to hear about someone being so *beep* that they turned down a position that I'm dying to be interviewed for. |
The bleep was "cocky". That's stupid. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Haha, no it sure isn't. Although, I'm pretty confident that if I and granted an interview, I can get the position. I'm a good candidate for it. I know what to expect from an eikaiwa, and I don't mind it. I'm repeating myself here but, it's aggravating to hear about someone being so *beep* that they turned down a position that I'm dying to be interviewed for. |
And Im pretty sure if he came here within 3 months he would be whining on here about the long hours, the relatively low pay, the mind-numbing tedium of teaching low-level students, the lack of progress by his students, and the anal managers he would be forced to work with. Yes he would discover the wonderful world of paid WORK. Not getting hired by AEON is the least of his worries. Its what comes after that makes or breaks his experience here, not their attitude during a 2 day interview. |
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wolfman

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 189
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| wolfman wrote: |
| Haha, no it sure isn't. Although, I'm pretty confident that if I and granted an interview, I can get the position. I'm a good candidate for it. I know what to expect from an eikaiwa, and I don't mind it. I'm repeating myself here but, it's aggravating to hear about someone being so *beep* that they turned down a position that I'm dying to be interviewed for. |
And Im pretty sure if he came here within 3 months he would be whining on here about the long hours, the relatively low pay, the mind-numbing tedium of teaching low-level students, the lack of progress by his students, and the anal managers he would be forced to work with. Yes he would discover the wonderful world of paid WORK. Not getting hired by AEON is the least of his worries. Its what comes after that makes or breaks his experience here, not their attitude during a 2 day interview. |
Well, maybe it's a good thing he turned down the position. If he didn't like the interview, I think all your predictions about whining after the first 3 months would come true.
I, personally, think the attitude of the teacher is what makes or breaks his or her experience in Japan. The attitude of the eikaiwa is less important. I guess he didn't have the right attitude. |
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senza_vavoom
Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 25 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: An AEON vent-session |
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I DEFINITELY agree with the majority of people here. I believe that you seem to be oversensitive over something that is ultimately nothing. Either you have never been employed before by corporations, but you don't seem to understand regular business in general.
Here's why :
1) " On the website, it listed the entire week for interviews. It was very vague so I took a chance in buying a plane ticket to Mexico to visit my dad. "
How can they possibly be vague with a list of the entire week for interviews? Do you REALLY think that AEON ( a large corporation ) would publish online, a list of dates that are " vague " to PURPOSELY confuse over thousands of applicants?
2) " 5 DAYS before the interview (when I was in Mexico), the contacted me via e-mail and told me that I MUST be at the interviews on Sunday or else I would not be considered for hire (I was due back on Tuesday). "
Umm...this is MANDATORY. They do contact you a few days before the interview. In fact, they contact you TWICE before your interview date....so why would you be surprised at this? Plus, in order for them to actually give you reminders of the impending interview, you would have had to accept the interview dates in the first place.....which leads me to think that you accepted interview dates that you described as " vague " ????
3) " When I was at the interview, the recruiters gave me and my girlfriend the distinct impression that they did not care about us as people....only as employees. "
YOU are an employee - NOT even an employee technically - but PROSPECTIVE employees. The last time I checked, in every single country, when you want a job, you are NOT in the position to demand how they should treat you at the INTERVIEW. Remember, you are the beggar in this situation.
4) " For example, when I went into my personal interview, I mentioned that I had bought an EXTRA plane ticket to see them. The recuiters response was simply to smile and bob her head up and down.......no 'wow, that was very nice of you' or even 'thank you for telling me that'....a simple blank stare with a grin. "
Why does she have to care? She was probably thinking, " OMG - this guy is so dense. Why is he talking to me about an extra ticket that he bought blah blah blah? " In fact, she was probably thinking, " Hmm...maybe he wouldn't have had to buy a ticket in the first place if he NEVER left the country during the interview sessions! "
5) " After all of the process, they offered me a job in which I wrote back giving them explicit reasons why I did not want to work for them. "
This is so dramatic and UNECESSARY in the business world. In fact, they didn't even hire you yet completely and you didn't even work one day's job. Why write a long letter to gripe about what you DID NOT like about them? |
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Tottori-Dood
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 44
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Mod Edit
Been working here in West Japan and so far my AEON experience has been what I expected and FAR FAR better. Not only do they treat me like a "human being" but the staff at my school go out of their way to help me, and be friends with me - almost to the point of going overboard.
Everyone I trained with are being treated really well too. Everyone so far that I have met in AEON west Japan - from the big bosses up at head office down to the part time staff that hand out flyers - have been more polite, and helpful, to me then I ever remember ANYONE being to me where I'm from.
I get paid more then any employees of the other "big 4" chains. My schedule is such that I work about 3 hours a day (except friday and saturday). I get 2 days off a week (might as well be 5 days off). I have medical coverage.
Good luck at NOVA bro, enjoy your "Japan experience" lol. |
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wolfman

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 189
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Mod Edit
Been working here in West Japan and so far my AEON experience has been what I expected and FAR FAR better. Not only do they treat me like a "human being" but the staff at my school go out of their way to help me, and be friends with me - almost to the point of going overboard.
Everyone I trained with are being treated really well too. Everyone so far that I have met in AEON west Japan - from the big bosses up at head office down to the part time staff that hand out flyers - have been more polite, and helpful, to me then I ever remember ANYONE being to me where I'm from.
I get paid more then any employees of the other "big 4" chains. My schedule is such that I work about 3 hours a day (except friday and saturday). I get 2 days off a week (might as well be 5 days off). I have medical coverage.
Good luck at NOVA bro, enjoy your "Japan experience" lol. |
WTF? Three hours a day? |
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Tottori-Dood
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 44
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| WTF? Three hours a day? |
Yep, pretty much. Tuesday and Wednesday my shift "technically" starts at 1pm but I only have class from 6pm -9pm. Thursday I have a 2 pm class and then two classes from 7-9pm. The rest of the time I can be at the office, I can go home and sleep, I can dance naked outside the train station, or pretty much anything else I want to do.
Well, I guess I put in 30 min of prep time a day and about 15 minutes for paperwork at the end of the day. So - 3 hours 45 min from Tues to Thurs.
And to all the naysayers that will post somthing dumb assuming they know how MY schedule works better then I do... well just don't bother.
PS: Friday 4 classes, Saturday 5.
PPS: I do spend a lot of time at the office. I like the people I work with a lot. I spend the majority of my time there learning Japanese. And yes, just like any other job. When there is work to be done I get it done no matter how long it takes. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| WTF? Three hours a day? |
Yep, pretty much. Tuesday and Wednesday my shift "technically" starts at 1pm but I only have class from 6pm -9pm. Thursday I have a 2 pm class and then two classes from 7-9pm. The rest of the time I can be at the office, I can go home and sleep, I can dance naked outside the train station, or pretty much anything else I want to do.
Well, I guess I put in 30 min of prep time a day and about 15 minutes for paperwork at the end of the day. So - 3 hours 45 min from Tues to Thurs.
And to all the naysayers that will post somthing dumb assuming they know how MY schedule works better then I do... well just don't bother.
PS: Friday 4 classes, Saturday 5.
PPS: I do spend a lot of time at the office. I like the people I work with a lot. I spend the majority of my time there learning Japanese. And yes, just like any other job. When there is work to be done I get it done no matter how long it takes. |
If you are getting paid 8 hours a day or a full time salary who cares what the hell other people think, its only jealousy.
Not only that it sounds like there is a lot of admin or paperwork, not just teaching classes. Teaching eikaiwa is not always about bums on seats. |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Tottori dood is benefiting from the national health care fiasco. More than a year ago and he would have been at work for the full 8 hours with a lot more duties. Studying Japanese at work used to be very frowned upon by AEON. |
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Tottori-Dood
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Tottori dood is benefiting from the national health care fiasco. More than a year ago and he would have been at work for the full 8 hours with a lot more duties. Studying Japanese at work used to be very frowned upon by AEON. |
I am at work usually for the full 8 hours. It is by choice though in some sense. As for studying Japanese at work being frowned upon by AEON - it probably depends on your branch, how cool the manager and head teacher are, and if your lessons are suffering or not as a result. What you do on your spare time is totally up to you. But if my lessons started suffering and I was noticably slacking off then I would be repremanded faster then I could say Konnichiwa.
If you work hard and show you are ready to work hard at AEON they treat you with respect in my experience.
Every situation is different and very dependant on your location. But, from what I have heard from others I know in AEON and through my experience with them - AEON is a great company to work for.
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AEON is a great place (for me) and there are a lot of us here that think the same. |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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My point is that the free time you have now between classes was not considered free time a year ago. Now AEON employees are understood to be part time by the corporation in order to be exempt from paying shakai hoken. Before, all employees were considered full time and as such were required to be at work all day regardless of who the management was, and were expected to be doing AEON work at all times. In order to escape the recently enforced law AEON has had to give up some control over its employees.
You are right that management makes a huge difference in quality of life for workers. You are very lucky to have management that treats you well. I also had the same experience, but there really are a lot of bad managers, assistant managers, and head teachers who do make life miserable in AEON. I know an emergency teacher who had an extremely terrible stint at a school because he looked like the ex-boyfriend of a head teacher. This is a seasoned teacher who had the company behind him and he still found a school to be complete torture.
An important thing to keep in mind when working at AEON or many other English teaching companies is that the Japanese revenue producers or clients will always take precedence over the foreign English teacher. If things are going well with students or clients and the management is good, then things will be rosy, but if there is a bit of bad luck thrown into the mix the foreign English teacher will indeed find him/herself in an untenable situation.
I'm glad you are in a good situation and you should just consider yourself lucky. Others are not in good situations and it is not alway their fault. |
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Willy_In_Japan
Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 329
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Consider yourself lucky that your situation is not a bad one.
Many things can go wrong in Eikaiwas. You could have an anal trainer. You might have difficult coworkers. You might be blamed for students who quit if your branch isn't making money.
If having a bad experience makes them a 'fool', how are you going to feel when things get a bit rough? |
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shikushiku-boy
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 49 Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Some Mod Edit have a bad experience in Japan. On the other hand,
some Mod Edit have a wonderful time. |
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