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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: Grammar awareness questions |
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I'm looking for those grammar awareness questions that you find on pre-CELTA assessments and the like. The kind that make you think about grammar and meaning. For example:
What is the difference between start and begin?
Does anyone have any others?
Cheers in advance. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: |
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The kind that make you think about grammar and meaning. For example:
What is the difference between start and begin? |
There is no difference in either grammar or meaning between start and begin, only a possible difference in register, though even that is debateable.
I have never seen any for the CELTA. You can download a whole questionnaire for the DELTA or DipTESOL. |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the links.
Stephen Jones wrote: |
There is no difference in either grammar or meaning between start and begin, only a possible difference in register, though even that is debateable. |
Can you begin a car then? |
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thrifty
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar

Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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TheLongWayHome wrote: |
Can you begin a car then? |
Yes! ... you can ... if you're making one! |
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Stephen Jones
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Can you begin a car then? |
OK; point taken. There are certain collocations where only one is acceptable. They need to be learned individually though. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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It's interesting, isn't it? Start and begin are as close synonyms as we get in English. In most cases, there is really no difference. I wouldn't even bother teaching any difference in register in most cases...
But, languages aren't math(s). My students are always getting frustrated by the fact that even the most exact synonyms aren't interchangeable in all cases.
I like "begin the car," and a student of mine actually said this a few months ago.
Any other examples of synonyms getting into trouble?
Best,
Justin |
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Pollux
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 224 Location: PL
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Can you begin a car then?
Yes! ... you can ... if you're making one! |
Before we all agree that we can say that, let's think about it. The car has been created so we are not creating anything new.
I started or began making, painting, or assembling the car has the same meaning.
'I began the car' just sounds odd when not followed by a gerund or infinitive..
How about 'end' and 'finish?' |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Is that "finish" as in "complete" or "terminate," or "finish" as in "polish?"
I realize nobody else finds this kind of thing funny. But it's Friday.
Justin  |
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leavingonajetplane

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 15 Location: Europe
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I found that funny .
There must be a comprehensive list online somewhere because i have been asked in my last three job interviews what the difference is between childish and childlike.
I would just go to one of the TEFL schools websites and download their pre-entry selection tasks for CELTA/ TESOL  |
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Pollux
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 224 Location: PL
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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'I polished my last car,' said Mike.
Did my best worker quit or is he done for the day? |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Justin, I like this stuff too....
DIFFERENT
I started the engine.
I began the engine (after creating the body and suspension).
EQUIVALENT
They started the concert.
They began the concert.
DIFFERENT
Don't start with me, mister! (two meanings)
Don't begin with me, mister! (one meaning) |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. Now stop. Lol. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Just as much fun as synonyms that aren't always, are words that, depending on the context, have widely varied meanings.
A George Carlin classic, from "Seven words you can't say on television":
You can *beep* your finger, but you can't finger your *beep*.
Other fun ones can be made up with "polish" (the verb) and "Polish" (the nationality)
I had a great list of these somewhere, but can't find it. Anybody wish to add?
Happy weekend,
Justin |
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