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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Grammar awareness questions Reply with quote

I'm looking for those grammar awareness questions that you find on pre-CELTA assessments and the like. The kind that make you think about grammar and meaning. For example:

What is the difference between start and begin?

Does anyone have any others?

Cheers in advance.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=35545
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/teacher/viewtopic.php?t=2229

There are lots of questions being asked all the time on the (Teacher) Applied Linguistics forum (often directly from students themselves) that will get you thinking (of how to explain things or otherwise help; if the questions posed are actually valid - themselves well thought-out - or unhelpful etc etc).


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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The kind that make you think about grammar and meaning. For example:
What is the difference between start and begin?
There is no difference in either grammar or meaning between start and begin, only a possible difference in register, though even that is debateable.

I have never seen any for the CELTA. You can download a whole questionnaire for the DELTA or DipTESOL.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the links. Razz

Stephen Jones wrote:
There is no difference in either grammar or meaning between start and begin, only a possible difference in register, though even that is debateable.

Can you begin a car then?
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thrifty



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Sheikh Inal Ovar



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheLongWayHome wrote:

Can you begin a car then?


Yes! ... you can ... if you're making one!
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Can you begin a car then?
OK; point taken. There are certain collocations where only one is acceptable. They need to be learned individually though.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting, isn't it? Start and begin are as close synonyms as we get in English. In most cases, there is really no difference. I wouldn't even bother teaching any difference in register in most cases...

But, languages aren't math(s). My students are always getting frustrated by the fact that even the most exact synonyms aren't interchangeable in all cases.

I like "begin the car," and a student of mine actually said this a few months ago.



Any other examples of synonyms getting into trouble?


Best,

Justin
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Pollux



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Can you begin a car then?


Yes! ... you can ... if you're making one!


Before we all agree that we can say that, let's think about it. The car has been created so we are not creating anything new.

I started or began making, painting, or assembling the car has the same meaning.

'I began the car' just sounds odd when not followed by a gerund or infinitive..

How about 'end' and 'finish?'
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that "finish" as in "complete" or "terminate," or "finish" as in "polish?"


I realize nobody else finds this kind of thing funny. But it's Friday.


Justin Embarassed
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leavingonajetplane



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that funny Laughing .
There must be a comprehensive list online somewhere because i have been asked in my last three job interviews what the difference is between childish and childlike.
I would just go to one of the TEFL schools websites and download their pre-entry selection tasks for CELTA/ TESOL Wink
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Pollux



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'I polished my last car,' said Mike.

Did my best worker quit or is he done for the day?
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Justin, I like this stuff too.... Wink

DIFFERENT
I started the engine.
I began the engine (after creating the body and suspension).

EQUIVALENT
They started the concert.
They began the concert.

DIFFERENT
Don't start with me, mister! (two meanings)
Don't begin with me, mister! (one meaning)
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. Now stop. Lol.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as much fun as synonyms that aren't always, are words that, depending on the context, have widely varied meanings.


A George Carlin classic, from "Seven words you can't say on television":

You can *beep* your finger, but you can't finger your *beep*.

Other fun ones can be made up with "polish" (the verb) and "Polish" (the nationality)

I had a great list of these somewhere, but can't find it. Anybody wish to add?



Happy weekend,

Justin
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