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jsbankston
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 214 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: Pigeonholing? |
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If you teach in one area of the world, such as Asia, do potential employers pigeonhole you as an "Asian teacher" if you look for work outside that region? (The reason I say is I may have a shot at a job teaching English to Chinese business people, but I'd eventually like to wind up in Europe.) |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I doubt it but depends. For example experience teaching at a Chinese University probably will not be given much value in other countries. Well at least I don't think that most people would see it as on par as teaching at a university in a western country or Japan. |
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jsbankston
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 214 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: |
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A friend of a friend contacted me last week about a job teaching English to the Chinese employees of a company that's headquartered in America. (This is for an actual business, not a school or university.) Is there much chance I could parlay that experience into a similar sort of job in Europe? |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: |
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jsbankston wrote: |
A friend of a friend contacted me last week about a job teaching English to the Chinese employees of a company that's headquartered in America. (This is for an actual business, not a school or university.) Is there much chance I could parlay that experience into a similar sort of job in Europe? |
I can't see that being any different to teaching European businessmen in the States. The only difference would be what level of students you teach and your ability to talk up your experience. |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Can you work legally in Europe? Why would a company hire you to teach English in Europe? Are there no other English teachers available on that continent?
Just wondering... |
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jsbankston
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 214 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Henry_Cowell wrote: |
Can you work legally in Europe? Why would a company hire you to teach English in Europe? Are there no other English teachers available on that continent?
Just wondering... |
Why would someone hire me to teach in China? Are there no English teachers available there? But a friend of a friend contacted me and asked if I was interested in applying for his company, that they needed teachers.  |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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You might be offered a job in China because you can work legally in China - and there is a much greater demand in China for teachers than in Europe. Sure, there are teachers, but in China - not enough. In Europe - much different job market.
Your experience with Chinese businessmen would be useful for you in terms of finding out whether you even like the profession, but teaching to Chinese employees of a US corporation isn't going to get you legal jobs in Europe. It's simply NOT a matter of experience, qualifications, or desire. It's a matter of legalities.
If the business you teach for opens a branch somewhere in Europe, and they want to send you there, then you've got some chance. All of the people whom I know who have been successful using this route into Europe from North America have years of experience and post grad credentials in the field, though. The jobs are few, far between, very desirable, and attract the best qualified applicants. |
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jsbankston
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 214 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
You might be offered a job in China because you can work legally in China - and there is a much greater demand in China for teachers than in Europe. Sure, there are teachers, but in China - not enough. In Europe - much different job market.
Your experience with Chinese businessmen would be useful for you in terms of finding out whether you even like the profession, but teaching to Chinese employees of a US corporation isn't going to get you legal jobs in Europe. It's simply NOT a matter of experience, qualifications, or desire. It's a matter of legalities.
If the business you teach for opens a branch somewhere in Europe, and they want to send you there, then you've got some chance. All of the people whom I know who have been successful using this route into Europe from North America have years of experience and post grad credentials in the field, though. The jobs are few, far between, very desirable, and attract the best qualified applicants. |
So what's my best shot into Europe, sooner or later? |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Marry a European -- sooner rather than later. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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The only countries where you have a legal chance at the moment are the new EU member states and east. Western Europe simply isn't a go.
It is unlikely to become more open over the next few years.
Sorry. There are always people on the forum hoping and wishing for and even demanding some loophole that will open the doors just for them.
Finders are extremely rare, and have almost all taken the chance, gone there, worked hard, made contacts, and gotten very lucky.
This takes time, qualifications, experience, savings, language skills, and commitment, in almost every case. It's not just serious dues to be paid - it's also extreme luck.
All you can realistically do now is find a way to ENTER the profession. There is almost NO WAY you are going to find your mecca from the starting point where you are now (if I remember your situation correctly from earlier threads).
I honestly can't give better news or advice. |
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tedkarma

Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 1598 Location: The World is my Oyster
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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When I worked in Saudi, I didn't find any bias against us experienced "Asian Hands" - but then again - the ME is SW Asia . . . |
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The_Prodiigy

Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 252
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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There are some - but others will advise. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Erased because this thread had ben dead for a year before the previous poster revived it.
Last edited by GambateBingBangBOOM on Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:59 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Gambate,
You're helping to revive this thread after nearly a year. The OP was a known (and self-identified) troll. I wouldn't bother if I were you.  |
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Ahchoo

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 606 Location: Earth
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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If you want to give him your views you can contact him here.
www.jsbankston.com
I sure as heck wouldn't want to be working next to this nutcake. |
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