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jsbankston



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Pigeonholing? Reply with quote

If you teach in one area of the world, such as Asia, do potential employers pigeonhole you as an "Asian teacher" if you look for work outside that region? (The reason I say is I may have a shot at a job teaching English to Chinese business people, but I'd eventually like to wind up in Europe.)
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it but depends. For example experience teaching at a Chinese University probably will not be given much value in other countries. Well at least I don't think that most people would see it as on par as teaching at a university in a western country or Japan.
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jsbankston



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of a friend contacted me last week about a job teaching English to the Chinese employees of a company that's headquartered in America. (This is for an actual business, not a school or university.) Is there much chance I could parlay that experience into a similar sort of job in Europe?
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jsbankston wrote:
A friend of a friend contacted me last week about a job teaching English to the Chinese employees of a company that's headquartered in America. (This is for an actual business, not a school or university.) Is there much chance I could parlay that experience into a similar sort of job in Europe?


I can't see that being any different to teaching European businessmen in the States. The only difference would be what level of students you teach and your ability to talk up your experience.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you work legally in Europe? Why would a company hire you to teach English in Europe? Are there no other English teachers available on that continent?

Just wondering...
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jsbankston



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry_Cowell wrote:
Can you work legally in Europe? Why would a company hire you to teach English in Europe? Are there no other English teachers available on that continent?

Just wondering...


Why would someone hire me to teach in China? Are there no English teachers available there? But a friend of a friend contacted me and asked if I was interested in applying for his company, that they needed teachers. Question Question Question
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might be offered a job in China because you can work legally in China - and there is a much greater demand in China for teachers than in Europe. Sure, there are teachers, but in China - not enough. In Europe - much different job market.


Your experience with Chinese businessmen would be useful for you in terms of finding out whether you even like the profession, but teaching to Chinese employees of a US corporation isn't going to get you legal jobs in Europe. It's simply NOT a matter of experience, qualifications, or desire. It's a matter of legalities.
If the business you teach for opens a branch somewhere in Europe, and they want to send you there, then you've got some chance. All of the people whom I know who have been successful using this route into Europe from North America have years of experience and post grad credentials in the field, though. The jobs are few, far between, very desirable, and attract the best qualified applicants.
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jsbankston



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
You might be offered a job in China because you can work legally in China - and there is a much greater demand in China for teachers than in Europe. Sure, there are teachers, but in China - not enough. In Europe - much different job market.


Your experience with Chinese businessmen would be useful for you in terms of finding out whether you even like the profession, but teaching to Chinese employees of a US corporation isn't going to get you legal jobs in Europe. It's simply NOT a matter of experience, qualifications, or desire. It's a matter of legalities.
If the business you teach for opens a branch somewhere in Europe, and they want to send you there, then you've got some chance. All of the people whom I know who have been successful using this route into Europe from North America have years of experience and post grad credentials in the field, though. The jobs are few, far between, very desirable, and attract the best qualified applicants.


So what's my best shot into Europe, sooner or later?
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marry a European -- sooner rather than later.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only countries where you have a legal chance at the moment are the new EU member states and east. Western Europe simply isn't a go.

It is unlikely to become more open over the next few years.

Sorry. There are always people on the forum hoping and wishing for and even demanding some loophole that will open the doors just for them.

Finders are extremely rare, and have almost all taken the chance, gone there, worked hard, made contacts, and gotten very lucky.

This takes time, qualifications, experience, savings, language skills, and commitment, in almost every case. It's not just serious dues to be paid - it's also extreme luck.

All you can realistically do now is find a way to ENTER the profession. There is almost NO WAY you are going to find your mecca from the starting point where you are now (if I remember your situation correctly from earlier threads).

I honestly can't give better news or advice.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked in Saudi, I didn't find any bias against us experienced "Asian Hands" - but then again - the ME is SW Asia . . .
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The_Prodiigy



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some - but others will advise.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erased because this thread had ben dead for a year before the previous poster revived it.

Last edited by GambateBingBangBOOM on Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:59 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gambate,

You're helping to revive this thread after nearly a year. The OP was a known (and self-identified) troll. I wouldn't bother if I were you. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to give him your views you can contact him here.
www.jsbankston.com
I sure as heck wouldn't want to be working next to this nutcake.
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