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shoosh



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Should I go to Japan? :) Reply with quote

Hello.

Some background info first: I live in Ontario, Canada. I'm 27, male, universty grad.

I am trying to decide where to teach and Japan is a place I am considering. I hear it's pretty expensive to live in Japan but

no one seems to specify if this is true for everywhere or just big cities like Tokyo.

I do want to end up making some decent money to bring back so I thought maybe I should look for a place outside the big

cities. Is cost of living still high outside the city? Can anyone recommend some nice places that are close but not actually

in the big city?

Another question is if I want to make good money should I be content with teaching in a elementary/secondary school or will I

have to teach at a univeristy/college? I have a BA in Kinesiology from my 3 years in university and my TESOL cert and no

prior teaching ESL experience. Somehow I doubt this will be enough to get hired at a university in Japan Smile

I'm trying to decide between Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, or the UAE. Right now I just want to know where I would be better

off if I want to make decent money and live in a nice place.

Would I be better off applying to Japanese schools through an agency (I hear about Aeon, Nova, etc) or doing my own search?

Also, how intense is the work in Japanese schools (ie. do they have you working 60+ hours a week)

I'm drawing a blank with the questions now so I will have to come back Smile

Are there links in this forum for websites describing how it's like to teach in Japan (ie. what it offers, the pros and cons

of teaching in Japan, etc.)?

Thanks for your help
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Shoosh,

A good place to start is with the FAQ stickies at the top of the Japan Forum page.

The cost of living outside of the cities is often lower because accommodation is often cheaper than in Tokyo or Osaka but also because you have fewer options to spend your money as there is less nightlife. If you are disciplined, however, then living in the cities is not that much more expensive.

I don't think you can get full-time work in a university, certainly don't count on it although Westgate hire people who only have BAs. There seem to be some advantages with Westgate but also a lot of drawbacks. Search the site to find out more on this company (there has been quite a lot posted on this company).

Also NOVA and AEON are not agencies but eikaiwa (English conversation) companies. They get a lot of stick but they generally aren't that bad if you want to get to Japan.

The agencies such as Interac and hundreds others get a lot more criticism and deservedly so.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess things depend on what you call "big city" and what you can comfortably live in. Obviously, the smaller and more remote you get, the more Japanese you are going to need, and the fewer foreigners you will have around you. Some like that, some don't.

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I hear it's pretty expensive to live in Japan but no one seems to specify if this is true for everywhere or just big cities like Tokyo.
Just figure that Japan is like most other industrialized countries, and that things are cheaper in the country than the city. In general.

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I do want to end up making some decent money to bring back
How much is "decent"? Can't really tell you if Japan is for you unless we know something like this.

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Another question is if I want to make good money should I be content with teaching in a elementary/secondary school or will I have to teach at a univeristy/college?
Let's not put the cart before the horse here. You have not even set foot in Japan. No experience teaching means you have to start on the bottom rung of the ladder, which means any of the following:
1) conversation school (eikaiwa)
2) JET programme or Earlham College ALT progam
3) dispatch company ALT
#1 usually offers 220,000 to 270,000 yen/month.
#2 offers 300,000 yen/month (good for 3 years)
#3, well, offers will vary from pitiful to about the same as #1.

Once you have done any of the above for a year, you can think about going into a private HS for FT work. That will pay 300,000-400,000 yen/month.

Of course, with any of the options 1-3 above, you can always try to pick up supplementary work on the side, but you are going to be restricted by the hours you put in (usually noon to 9pm for #1) and just how tired you are (since this is new to you, you should probably consider putting in more time than experienced people with lesson planning).

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I have a BA in Kinesiology from my 3 years in university and my TESOL cert and no prior teaching ESL experience. Somehow I doubt this will be enough to get hired at a university in Japan
You presume right. University work usually requires a bare minimum of a master's degree in a teaching-related field, several publications, some Japanese, and some experience in Japan.

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I'm trying to decide between Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, or the UAE.
Can't help you with the UAE, but look at this for Korea, Japan, and Taiwan comparisons.
http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~jonb/

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Would I be better off applying to Japanese schools through an agency (I hear about Aeon, Nova, etc) or doing my own search?
Be careful about terminology here. "Schools" are sometimes what conversation schools (eikaiwa) are called. "Schools" are also what mainstream schools (elem. ed., junior high, senior high, and international schools) are. Eikaiwas like NOVA recruit either within Japan or without. They are not "agencies". The big four eikaiwa (NOVA, AEON, GEOS, and ECC) recruit abroad mostly, but you have to burden the costs of getting to the interview and staying there 1-3 days. Not many others even look abroad, so for the rest you will have to come here.

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Also, how intense is the work in Japanese schools (ie. do they have you working 60+ hours a week)
Eikaiwas usually have 25-30 hours per week in the classroom. You may have to put in the remainder of a 40-hour week with other duties, like interviewing prospective students, inputting attendance and performance data, preparing lessons, showing your foreign face in the lounge to attract students, etc. Or you might be lucky and have nothing much to do and actually be allowed to leave the building. NOVA has 8 classes a day with barely 10 minutes between them. Look at contracts to see if the eikaiwa offers overtime and the opportunity to switch shifts. Newbies get what is offered.

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Are there links in this forum for websites describing how it's like to teach in Japan (ie. what it offers, the pros and cons of teaching in Japan, etc.)?
Start with the FAQs above, and with http://thejapanfaq.cjb.net , http://markcity.blogspot.com/teaching.htm
http://vocaro.com/trevor/japan/nova/level_up.html
http://www.grassrootdesign.com/articles/nova.asp
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Flats/7947/japan.htm
http://bowland-files.lancs.ac.uk/staff/visitors/kenji/teij.htm
plus everything in www.ohayosensei.com outside of the ads.
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Squire22



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I go to Japan? :) Reply with quote

shoosh wrote:


Also, how intense is the work in Japanese schools (ie. do they have you working 60+ hours a week)

Are there links in this forum for websites describing how it's like to teach in Japan (ie. what it offers, the pros and cons

of teaching in Japan, etc.)?



Can't really help you with the rest of your post - my apologies - but I'll try and give a response to these two points, bearing in mind that it is my own personal experience, and as we know this varies from person to person, school to school etc.

I work as an ALT through a dispatch company, I definitely do not "work" 60 plus hours a week. As an ALT though I'm not required to plan all the lessons or indeed to teach all the lessons, the amount of work for lessons seems to depend on which Japanese Teacher of English that I'm working with at the time and whether or not I am at junior high or elementary school. My school day, now that the winter is starting to kick in, runs from about 7.50am until roughly 4.30pm ish. My school life is certainly not what I'd describe as intense, or indeed work, but then I love my job, guess it's a perspective thing.

For me, as regards the pros and cons of teaching in Japan, I think I've been very fortunate as regards my schools, they seem to be really great schools, the kids are switched on and motivated, apart from perhaps the second graders at junior high, and I get a lot out of it both personally and professionally. This is not the case at every school though, some other ALTs I know seem to have more challenging schools. In terms of just being in Japan, teaching and otherwise, it seems to be for the most part pros all the way, I love being here, the standard of living is great, I may not be able to save a great deal, but I want for nothing, and even with debts to repay back home, money isn't everything.

Sorry if you wanted a more specific answer with regards professional teaching development in Japan. Teaching is teaching, no experience is a bad experience, it's just different.
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shoosh



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squire you keep mentioning that you'r an ALT. What is that exactly?

I think I'm going to have to change my mentality on this now. I guess I'm not going to consider the money as an important factor seeing as how I have no experience. From the way people talk on here it seems like a beginner just doesn't make a whole lot of money. I guess I will have to accept the fact that a contract for a beginner simply pays you enough to survive and maybe have a little bit of cash left over. When I get experience if I decide teaching is something I want to keep doing I can worry about making contacts and getting better paying jobs after I get more experience.

I guess now my question is how do you end up deciding where to go? DO you just pick a place you're curious about seeing? Do you look at what countries are offering the best contracts? I need to try and find more info on what it's like teaching in these different places.
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoosh wrote:
Squire you keep mentioning that you'r an ALT. What is that exactly?

I guess now my question is how do you end up deciding where to go? DO you just pick a place you're curious about seeing? Do you look at what countries are offering the best contracts? I need to try and find more info on what it's like teaching in these different places.


A few people responded to your question about what an ALT is in this thread.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44464&highlight=alt

Also, the question about where people end up going to has almost as many answers as the number of forum members here.

I think there have been several threads on why people are in Japan and why they chose to do EFL.
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