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shoosh
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 31
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: Should I go to Japan? :) |
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Hello.
Some background info first: I live in Ontario, Canada. I'm 27, male, universty grad.
I am trying to decide where to teach and Japan is a place I am considering. I hear it's pretty expensive to live in Japan but
no one seems to specify if this is true for everywhere or just big cities like Tokyo.
I do want to end up making some decent money to bring back so I thought maybe I should look for a place outside the big
cities. Is cost of living still high outside the city? Can anyone recommend some nice places that are close but not actually
in the big city?
Another question is if I want to make good money should I be content with teaching in a elementary/secondary school or will I
have to teach at a univeristy/college? I have a BA in Kinesiology from my 3 years in university and my TESOL cert and no
prior teaching ESL experience. Somehow I doubt this will be enough to get hired at a university in Japan
I'm trying to decide between Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, or the UAE. Right now I just want to know where I would be better
off if I want to make decent money and live in a nice place.
Would I be better off applying to Japanese schools through an agency (I hear about Aeon, Nova, etc) or doing my own search?
Also, how intense is the work in Japanese schools (ie. do they have you working 60+ hours a week)
I'm drawing a blank with the questions now so I will have to come back
Are there links in this forum for websites describing how it's like to teach in Japan (ie. what it offers, the pros and cons
of teaching in Japan, etc.)?
Thanks for your help |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Hi Shoosh,
A good place to start is with the FAQ stickies at the top of the Japan Forum page.
The cost of living outside of the cities is often lower because accommodation is often cheaper than in Tokyo or Osaka but also because you have fewer options to spend your money as there is less nightlife. If you are disciplined, however, then living in the cities is not that much more expensive.
I don't think you can get full-time work in a university, certainly don't count on it although Westgate hire people who only have BAs. There seem to be some advantages with Westgate but also a lot of drawbacks. Search the site to find out more on this company (there has been quite a lot posted on this company).
Also NOVA and AEON are not agencies but eikaiwa (English conversation) companies. They get a lot of stick but they generally aren't that bad if you want to get to Japan.
The agencies such as Interac and hundreds others get a lot more criticism and deservedly so.
Good luck. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
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I guess things depend on what you call "big city" and what you can comfortably live in. Obviously, the smaller and more remote you get, the more Japanese you are going to need, and the fewer foreigners you will have around you. Some like that, some don't.
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I hear it's pretty expensive to live in Japan but no one seems to specify if this is true for everywhere or just big cities like Tokyo. |
Just figure that Japan is like most other industrialized countries, and that things are cheaper in the country than the city. In general.
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I do want to end up making some decent money to bring back |
How much is "decent"? Can't really tell you if Japan is for you unless we know something like this.
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Another question is if I want to make good money should I be content with teaching in a elementary/secondary school or will I have to teach at a univeristy/college? |
Let's not put the cart before the horse here. You have not even set foot in Japan. No experience teaching means you have to start on the bottom rung of the ladder, which means any of the following:
1) conversation school (eikaiwa)
2) JET programme or Earlham College ALT progam
3) dispatch company ALT
#1 usually offers 220,000 to 270,000 yen/month.
#2 offers 300,000 yen/month (good for 3 years)
#3, well, offers will vary from pitiful to about the same as #1.
Once you have done any of the above for a year, you can think about going into a private HS for FT work. That will pay 300,000-400,000 yen/month.
Of course, with any of the options 1-3 above, you can always try to pick up supplementary work on the side, but you are going to be restricted by the hours you put in (usually noon to 9pm for #1) and just how tired you are (since this is new to you, you should probably consider putting in more time than experienced people with lesson planning).
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I have a BA in Kinesiology from my 3 years in university and my TESOL cert and no prior teaching ESL experience. Somehow I doubt this will be enough to get hired at a university in Japan |
You presume right. University work usually requires a bare minimum of a master's degree in a teaching-related field, several publications, some Japanese, and some experience in Japan.
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I'm trying to decide between Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, or the UAE. |
Can't help you with the UAE, but look at this for Korea, Japan, and Taiwan comparisons.
http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~jonb/
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Would I be better off applying to Japanese schools through an agency (I hear about Aeon, Nova, etc) or doing my own search? |
Be careful about terminology here. "Schools" are sometimes what conversation schools (eikaiwa) are called. "Schools" are also what mainstream schools (elem. ed., junior high, senior high, and international schools) are. Eikaiwas like NOVA recruit either within Japan or without. They are not "agencies". The big four eikaiwa (NOVA, AEON, GEOS, and ECC) recruit abroad mostly, but you have to burden the costs of getting to the interview and staying there 1-3 days. Not many others even look abroad, so for the rest you will have to come here.
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Also, how intense is the work in Japanese schools (ie. do they have you working 60+ hours a week) |
Eikaiwas usually have 25-30 hours per week in the classroom. You may have to put in the remainder of a 40-hour week with other duties, like interviewing prospective students, inputting attendance and performance data, preparing lessons, showing your foreign face in the lounge to attract students, etc. Or you might be lucky and have nothing much to do and actually be allowed to leave the building. NOVA has 8 classes a day with barely 10 minutes between them. Look at contracts to see if the eikaiwa offers overtime and the opportunity to switch shifts. Newbies get what is offered.
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Are there links in this forum for websites describing how it's like to teach in Japan (ie. what it offers, the pros and cons of teaching in Japan, etc.)? |
Start with the FAQs above, and with http://thejapanfaq.cjb.net , http://markcity.blogspot.com/teaching.htm
http://vocaro.com/trevor/japan/nova/level_up.html
http://www.grassrootdesign.com/articles/nova.asp
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Flats/7947/japan.htm
http://bowland-files.lancs.ac.uk/staff/visitors/kenji/teij.htm
plus everything in www.ohayosensei.com outside of the ads. |
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Squire22
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 68 Location: Shizuoka, Japan
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Should I go to Japan? :) |
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shoosh wrote: |
Also, how intense is the work in Japanese schools (ie. do they have you working 60+ hours a week)
Are there links in this forum for websites describing how it's like to teach in Japan (ie. what it offers, the pros and cons
of teaching in Japan, etc.)?
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Can't really help you with the rest of your post - my apologies - but I'll try and give a response to these two points, bearing in mind that it is my own personal experience, and as we know this varies from person to person, school to school etc.
I work as an ALT through a dispatch company, I definitely do not "work" 60 plus hours a week. As an ALT though I'm not required to plan all the lessons or indeed to teach all the lessons, the amount of work for lessons seems to depend on which Japanese Teacher of English that I'm working with at the time and whether or not I am at junior high or elementary school. My school day, now that the winter is starting to kick in, runs from about 7.50am until roughly 4.30pm ish. My school life is certainly not what I'd describe as intense, or indeed work, but then I love my job, guess it's a perspective thing.
For me, as regards the pros and cons of teaching in Japan, I think I've been very fortunate as regards my schools, they seem to be really great schools, the kids are switched on and motivated, apart from perhaps the second graders at junior high, and I get a lot out of it both personally and professionally. This is not the case at every school though, some other ALTs I know seem to have more challenging schools. In terms of just being in Japan, teaching and otherwise, it seems to be for the most part pros all the way, I love being here, the standard of living is great, I may not be able to save a great deal, but I want for nothing, and even with debts to repay back home, money isn't everything.
Sorry if you wanted a more specific answer with regards professional teaching development in Japan. Teaching is teaching, no experience is a bad experience, it's just different. |
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shoosh
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 31
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Squire you keep mentioning that you'r an ALT. What is that exactly?
I think I'm going to have to change my mentality on this now. I guess I'm not going to consider the money as an important factor seeing as how I have no experience. From the way people talk on here it seems like a beginner just doesn't make a whole lot of money. I guess I will have to accept the fact that a contract for a beginner simply pays you enough to survive and maybe have a little bit of cash left over. When I get experience if I decide teaching is something I want to keep doing I can worry about making contacts and getting better paying jobs after I get more experience.
I guess now my question is how do you end up deciding where to go? DO you just pick a place you're curious about seeing? Do you look at what countries are offering the best contracts? I need to try and find more info on what it's like teaching in these different places. |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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shoosh wrote: |
Squire you keep mentioning that you'r an ALT. What is that exactly?
I guess now my question is how do you end up deciding where to go? DO you just pick a place you're curious about seeing? Do you look at what countries are offering the best contracts? I need to try and find more info on what it's like teaching in these different places. |
A few people responded to your question about what an ALT is in this thread.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44464&highlight=alt
Also, the question about where people end up going to has almost as many answers as the number of forum members here.
I think there have been several threads on why people are in Japan and why they chose to do EFL. |
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Squire22
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 68 Location: Shizuoka, Japan
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: |
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shoosh wrote: |
I guess I'm not going to consider the money as an important factor seeing as how I have no experience. From the way people talk on here it seems like a beginner just doesn't make a whole lot of money. I guess I will have to accept the fact that a contract for a beginner simply pays you enough to survive and maybe have a little bit of cash left over. |
As above, there are threads on being an ALT, so I'll pass on that one. With regards the above, I think you should be a little careful, money can be an important factor when you don't have enough of it and you're in a foreign country, make sure whatever the job is pays enough to accommodate your lifestyle, be it hermit or party animal/extreme sports dude, there are other threads on here that talk about the costs of living in Japan. In terms of a begninner making a whole lot of money - how much is a whole lot of money? I am a beginner and I make 250,000yen a month, after bills and other expenditure which includes going out drinking at the weekends and going to aikido and other random stuff, I find myself saving an average of 60-70,000 yen a month. No idea what that equates to in your own country. Plus over the summer I went to tokyo for a while, visited it for a couple shorter periods, went a few other places, so expenses went up over the summer but as I said, the average so far is above. Is this a whole lot of money to have left over? You tell me, all about perspective.
Regards. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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shoosh wrote:
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From the way people talk on here it seems like a beginner just doesn't make a whole lot of money. |
Show me a profession where you don't need anything more than a bachelor's degree in any major and you do make a lot of money. Or a profession where bottom rung of the ladder doesn't start out with the smallest salaries. I hope you are being realistic about things.
I guess I will have to accept the fact that a contract for a beginner simply pays you enough to survive and maybe have a little bit of cash left over. This has been posted a zillion times on many forums. Basic salary is 220,000 to 270,000 yen/month. After paying for rent, utilities, food, insurance, and phone bill, you will have about half of that left over. What you do with the rest depends entirely on you.
1) Student loans? Mortgage or car payments back home? Pay them off as well as you can.
2) Want anything else here? Consider it a luxury, even if you think of satellite TV as such. About the only other things you should budget for that aren't luxuries are haircuts and emergency medical insurance.
So, if you blow roughly 125,000 on bars or beef steaks or sightseeing or whatever, or if you decide to be thrifty/stingy/miserly/frugal/etc. and packrat away a significant part of that leftover, that's up to you. An average figure for living here reasonably comfortably and saving money amounts to having about US$500-700 in your bank. This figure is a very rough estimate and will vary considerably from person to person. I know people who have saved zilch by blowing their money on beef steaks and booze, and I know people who have saved US$1000 or more per month.
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how do you end up deciding where to go? |
Well, first you do some research on the country, starting with climate or size of cities or whatever you may have heard whispered in passing somewhere. My suggestion is to go with climate first. Get a travel book and figure out what area seems to hold the most interest for you after that. Then, pin down a city or 6 based on what size you prefer. Learn the differences between big city and small one (they each have their own advantages and disadvantages, and your choice will not be the same as the next guy).
Now start looking for ads in that area.
This is exactly what I did, plus one more thing. I spent 6 months or more haunting half a dozen Web sites to glean information from as many people as possible. Learned who was a flamer and who was a serious poster. Got the dirt from the veterans. Learned stuff about what sorts of jobs were available to me (what I was eligible for, too). Back then, almost 10 years ago, many of today's Web sites were in their infancy, so people didn't have much solid information to spread around. I worked hard to compile what I learned. It paid off. Will it for you? As we say here, that's case by case. |
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