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biffinbridge
Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 701 Location: Frank's Wild Years
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: The end of TEFL |
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I've been a qualified EFL teacher for almost 12 years and taught in England,Poland,the Czech Republic,Qatar and Libya.I've had some really good experiences and met some great people.At the moment I am not teaching.Why not?Because the salaries are becoming ridiculous even by EFL standards.It's insane when positions in Libya are advertised at 1200 quid/month or jobs in Saudi are going at 1600.It used to be that people taught in great places for a decade or so and then went to the Gulf to save a bit but you just can't do that now unless you are lucky enough to work for BAe.EFL is just a series of sideways moves no matter where you are.Rarely is experience remunerated adequately.Once you have kids it's a real struggle.People don't teach because they are money mad but you need to earn enough to live and retire....this industry just doesn't cut the mustard in that respect.
It's not just about the lack of financial reward though;increasingly,private language schools are employing more non-native speakers and we are being sidelined.I've worked in several schools in which the native speakers had no real input,in effect, we were just part of the marketing gimmick and this just gets you down.
In the Middle East teachers are treated awfully as they are in Poland etc but often for different reasons.In Poland the bosses just have bad man management skills,in the Middle East they rarely have any skills.Employers lie about your visas,your overtime,your net and gross rates,your accommodation and god knows what else because often you are at their mercy once you've committed financially to a move overseas.
Maybe I'm being cynical,but I've seen the damage of a career in EFL reflected in the fifty- something -year- old brigade out in the Gulf .Most of them are scr*wed and they know it.It's an industry rife with ageism,sexism,racial discrimination and plain exploitation,which will eventually end when everyone speaks English.The sooner the better. |
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saint57

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 1221 Location: Beyond the Dune Sea
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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EFL is just a series of sideways moves no matter where you are |
The moment I feel myself moving sideways, I'll move out. |
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guangho

Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 476 Location: in transit
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Conventional TEFL is a dead-end. I have seen Korean EFL veterans, on the peninsula for fifteen, twenty, twenty-five years, saddled with kids. a wife and no prospects. But isn't that partly TEFLers fault too? Where does anyone get off thinking that merely being born in a Western, English-speaking country is sufficient for a career? Without skills, education and a sense of responsibility with regards to career development, what does anyone really expect? |
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rossttuedu

Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 66 Location: Tianjin
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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In my case I've never really looked upon TEFL as a career choice but more as a segway to other career opportunities. TEFL allows you to travel and live in exotic countries and have cultural and linguistic interaction. This experience can be advantageous to other career paths such as business, sociology, anthropology, or international studies, to name a few. I for one have always wanted to be a teacher, atleast for a little while, but I plan on moving on after a couple of years. |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: The end of TEFL |
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biffinbridge wrote: |
I've ... taught in England,Poland,the Czech Republic,Qatar and Libya. |
You've never taught in Asia or Latin America? It's a bit different there. You can save some half-decent money in some Asian countries, and while you may not save much money in most of Latin America, you can afford a decent life. |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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This experience can be advantageous to other career paths such as business, sociology, anthropology, or international studies, to name a few. I for one have always wanted to be a teacher, atleast for a little while, but I plan on moving on after a couple of years. |
This is what all new grads kid themselves. In fact your years abroad will be viewed as wasting time, and if you don't get back home quick the door will shut on you for most of those careers. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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This experience can be advantageous to other career paths such as business, sociology, anthropology, or international studies, to name a few. I for one have always wanted to be a teacher, atleast for a little while, but I plan on moving on after a couple of years.
This is what all new grads kid themselves. In fact your years abroad will be viewed as wasting time, and if you don't get back home quick the door will shut on you for most of those careers. |
How lovely and positive. I have a good friend who teaches in the international studies department of a US college and who constantly emphasized the importance of time abroad for their graduate students.
Time abroad, learning languages and cultures isn't viewed as time wasting.
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Justin |
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Sgt Killjoy

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 438
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:09 am Post subject: |
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I thin you have to move up the food chain in TEFL and that means dropping the bouncing around from job to job, country to country and finding that one place where you can build up a career. That means eventually leaving the grunt TEFL work and moving into more lucrative services. Maybe managing a school, maybe selling TEFL books for a publisher, maybe doing tefl training, anything that moves you higher up the value chain. |
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shuize
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Justin Trullinger wrote: |
How lovely and positive. I have a good friend who teaches in the international studies department of a US college and who constantly emphasized the importance of time abroad for their graduate students.
Time abroad, learning languages and cultures isn't viewed as time wasting.
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The fact that your friend is in a university position as opposed to the business world should tell you something.
It's my opinion that learning languages and cultures is fine. But unless you can link your language skills to another skill that people are actually willing to pay for, such things usually don't amount to much.* Experience teaching ESL -- unless you're applying for another position teaching ESL -- counts for even less.
*If you disagree, take a look at the thread in which many posters brag about speaking 3 or 4 foreign languages. Then tell me how far beyond the wonderful world of ESL that's taken them. |
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sidjameson
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 629 Location: osaka
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Of course working in a language school is no career. Everybody knows that. I mean come on, the equivilant would be a shop assistant complaining that a shoe shop in London wasn't willing to pay her extra for her 10 years experience working in a shoe shop in Manchester.
The most obvious and common way to make TEFL a career is to get on the country you are in"s regular teaching career ladder; public universities, high schools, International schools and the like.
Or stay single and as a poster said on another forum, "get pocket money for life"  |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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But unless you can link your language skills to another skill that people are actually willing to pay for, such things usually don't amount to much.* Experience teaching ESL -- unless you're applying for another position teaching ESL -- counts for even less. |
The other skill that people are willing to pay for is called self-confidence. This is the skill that can't be bought, can't be sold, and time after time after time is the deciding factor between good and exceptional.
If you aren't gaining self-confidence in teaching abroad, then you're not teaching abroad. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Shuize, this forum is for ESL/EFL teachers. People who have 'moved beyond the wonderful world of..." are seriously underrepresented on Dave's!!
I actually know several people who have taken their language skills into foreign service (government jobs), official translating, and international business.
sidjameson makes a couple of good points - to move ahead in our field is most often going to mean that we move into official education - after all, we are educators, right? Or, at least, if we've put in the time and energy to gain higher qualifications, we are.
And that's a great analogy about the shoe salesperson  |
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White_Elephant

Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 175
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: Re: The end of TEFL |
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At the moment I am not teaching.Why not?Because the salaries are becoming ridiculous even by EFL standards.It's insane when positions in Libya... |
You are looking in the wrong places, obviously. Last time I checked, Libya couldn't afford a pot to pee in.
I'm looking at positions with salaries from $25,000 to $50,000 USDs with housing included AND very long vacations. Currently, I'm working for a salary that falls within that ball park and I get about five months of paid vacation a year. So I head off to Thailand etc. for about half the year and I can afford to buy almost whatever I want, within reason. This year, I will have saved over $15,000. That's not bad considering I have been able to spend my money freely on whatever I want. I'm not complaining about money. That is for sure. |
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sheeba
Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 1123
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:57 am Post subject: |
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The other skill that people are willing to pay for is called self-confidence. This is the skill that can't be bought, can't be sold, and time after time after time is the deciding factor between good and exceptional.
If you aren't gaining self-confidence in teaching abroad, then you're not teaching abroad. |
I was about to make exactly the same comments Guy. I think Justin mentioned that 'learning about Cultures and Language is no waste of time ' and I have to agree with that totally. It's all about what you are creating inside that counts. I see my experience as a building of my confidence, an ability to relate to people, an ability to appreciate and respect those who have less in this world, ability to feel emotionally rather than mechanically . This I build all from my experience dealing with a different culture and language and if I died tomorrow my TEFL experience abroad would be the highlight of my life . If I'm not happy I'll take these skills and use them somewhere else. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: |
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About 4 years ago I came to a crossroads in my teaching career. I had been teaching for 7 years, but only had a BA and a TEFL cert. I was supporting a family but I knew this could not continue unless I upgraded my education. There is no way you can support a family on a language school salary in any country. If one wants to stay in this business long term, you need either a masters or a teacher's certificate, depending on what kind of teaching you want. I am sure every country is different, but this is what I have found in countries I have taught in or are thinking of going to.
I think on the most part, TEFL is a young, unqualified, single person's job. Salaries are too low to attract people with families or for people who want to save for their retirement . |
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