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canuck
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| John Hall wrote: |
| But, Canuck, they could also write answers instead of speaking. |
In Japan, most students need speaking practice. The idea is to find the balance. But a lesson that doesn't involve speaking, just listening and writing is silly, especially if you're teaching a course in OC. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| John Hall wrote: |
| But, Canuck, they could also write answers instead of speaking. |
In Japan, most students need speaking practice. The idea is to find the balance. But a lesson that doesn't involve speaking, just listening and writing is silly, especially if you're teaching a course in OC. |
If it is an oral communication class then maybe. But what if you are teaching a TOEIC class or any other test prep class in which speaking is not necessary? |
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spyrothedrago25
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are they listening to comprehend or listening to learn? there is a big difference between the goals of these two tasks. if they are listening to comprehend (understand) and then use what they hear to do a task, then no - don't give them the tapescript. their negotiation with the difficulties of the task will help them to generate strategies to deal with this kind of task in the future. If they are not sure of the meaning of certain words or phrases then they must negotiate for themselves the meaning either by interaction with other students or yourself.
if they are listening to learn however, give them the tapescript towards the end of the exercise. there isnt much evidence that students actually acquire new language forms (particularly grammar) from listening tasks such as yours. they must negotiate with you and others for meaning first, then finally from the tapescript so they can visualise the linguistic processes used in the tasks. |
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biffinbridge
Joined: 05 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: nit picking |
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Can you 'teach' listening'?
"Right.Open your ears at page......." |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: nit picking |
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| biffinbridge wrote: |
Can you 'teach' listening'?
"Right.Open your ears at page......." |
Think about improving your grammar before providing listening lessons to your students!  |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: nit picking |
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| canuck wrote: |
| biffinbridge wrote: |
Can you 'teach' listening'?
"Right.Open your ears at page......." |
Think about improving your grammar before providing listening lessons to your students! |
Ah my love, Canuck, 'tis been too long. O how thy rolled eyes have I missed; thy jests, thy jibes, thine infinite wit. Tell thou me, dost thou roll thine eyes at thy students and friends too upon hearing that, which doth not please thee? |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: nit picking |
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| Deicide wrote: |
| Ah my love, Canuck, 'tis been too long. O how thy rolled eyes have I missed; thy jests, thy jibes, thine infinite wit. Tell thou me, dost thou roll thine eyes at thy students and friends too upon hearing that, which doth not please thee? |
Shouldn't you be spending your time applying for more jobs in Japan, highlighting the fact that you have:
Icelandic (basic knowledge),Good Latin (reading ability), Basic Ancient Greek (reading ability)
and wait for it....
Computer Skills: E-mail
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=43336&highlight=latin
LOL |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: nit picking |
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| canuck wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| Ah my love, Canuck, 'tis been too long. O how thy rolled eyes have I missed; thy jests, thy jibes, thine infinite wit. Tell thou me, dost thou roll thine eyes at thy students and friends too upon hearing that, which doth not please thee? |
Shouldn't you be spending your time applying for more jobs in Japan, highlighting the fact that you have:
Icelandic (basic knowledge),Good Latin (reading ability), Basic Ancient Greek (reading ability)
and wait for it....
Computer Skills: E-mail
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=43336&highlight=latin
LOL |
No, no I am getting out of Asia and going to a sensible place (Europe). No Japan for me, not my culture, not my interest and I can't even make that much money there and there seem to be people like you there...yuck...
btw the way you forgot to mention the modern languages. What's the matter canuck, Canada didn't want you? |
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Malsol
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching listening - give students the tape script or no |
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John Hall
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| There are some interesting ideas being bounced around on this thread. I would hate to see the moderator delete it only because a few posters were insulting each other. |
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Chancellor
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