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Teaching listening - give students the tape script or not?
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canuck



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Hall wrote:
But, Canuck, they could also write answers instead of speaking.


In Japan, most students need speaking practice. The idea is to find the balance. But a lesson that doesn't involve speaking, just listening and writing is silly, especially if you're teaching a course in OC.
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
John Hall wrote:
But, Canuck, they could also write answers instead of speaking.


In Japan, most students need speaking practice. The idea is to find the balance. But a lesson that doesn't involve speaking, just listening and writing is silly, especially if you're teaching a course in OC.


If it is an oral communication class then maybe. But what if you are teaching a TOEIC class or any other test prep class in which speaking is not necessary?
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spyrothedrago25



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

are they listening to comprehend or listening to learn? there is a big difference between the goals of these two tasks. if they are listening to comprehend (understand) and then use what they hear to do a task, then no - don't give them the tapescript. their negotiation with the difficulties of the task will help them to generate strategies to deal with this kind of task in the future. If they are not sure of the meaning of certain words or phrases then they must negotiate for themselves the meaning either by interaction with other students or yourself.

if they are listening to learn however, give them the tapescript towards the end of the exercise. there isnt much evidence that students actually acquire new language forms (particularly grammar) from listening tasks such as yours. they must negotiate with you and others for meaning first, then finally from the tapescript so they can visualise the linguistic processes used in the tasks.
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biffinbridge



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:57 am    Post subject: nit picking Reply with quote

Can you 'teach' listening'?
"Right.Open your ears at page......."
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canuck



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: nit picking Reply with quote

biffinbridge wrote:
Can you 'teach' listening'?
"Right.Open your ears at page......."


Think about improving your grammar before providing listening lessons to your students! Rolling Eyes
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: nit picking Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
biffinbridge wrote:
Can you 'teach' listening'?
"Right.Open your ears at page......."


Think about improving your grammar before providing listening lessons to your students! Rolling Eyes


Ah my love, Canuck, 'tis been too long. O how thy rolled eyes have I missed; thy jests, thy jibes, thine infinite wit. Tell thou me, dost thou roll thine eyes at thy students and friends too upon hearing that, which doth not please thee? Rolling Eyes
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canuck



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: nit picking Reply with quote

Deicide wrote:
Ah my love, Canuck, 'tis been too long. O how thy rolled eyes have I missed; thy jests, thy jibes, thine infinite wit. Tell thou me, dost thou roll thine eyes at thy students and friends too upon hearing that, which doth not please thee? Rolling Eyes


Shouldn't you be spending your time applying for more jobs in Japan, highlighting the fact that you have:

Icelandic (basic knowledge),Good Latin (reading ability), Basic Ancient Greek (reading ability)

and wait for it....
Computer Skills: E-mail

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=43336&highlight=latin

LOL
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: nit picking Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
Deicide wrote:
Ah my love, Canuck, 'tis been too long. O how thy rolled eyes have I missed; thy jests, thy jibes, thine infinite wit. Tell thou me, dost thou roll thine eyes at thy students and friends too upon hearing that, which doth not please thee? Rolling Eyes


Shouldn't you be spending your time applying for more jobs in Japan, highlighting the fact that you have:

Icelandic (basic knowledge),Good Latin (reading ability), Basic Ancient Greek (reading ability)

and wait for it....
Computer Skills: E-mail

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=43336&highlight=latin

LOL


No, no I am getting out of Asia and going to a sensible place (Europe). No Japan for me, not my culture, not my interest and I can't even make that much money there and there seem to be people like you there...yuck...
btw the way you forgot to mention the modern languages. What's the matter canuck, Canada didn't want you?
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching listening - give students the tape script or no Reply with quote

Surprised

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John Hall



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some interesting ideas being bounced around on this thread. I would hate to see the moderator delete it only because a few posters were insulting each other.
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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a listening exercise, right? I presume you want the students to accurately hear the words and, hopefully, understand what is being said. What about having them write out what they're hearing and then you, having the script yourself, can check what they wrote against what is in the script?
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread has been great reading - thanks very much for the replies.


Quote:
Can you 'teach' listening'?


OK. Please assume the title of the thread read "Doing activities in class to help students improve their listening" instead of "Teaching listening".
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised

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Sherri



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I am teaching listening skills, then I do not give out the transcript (if I have one) until the end of the class.

I treat it much as I would treat a new reading passage, we do some warm up, talking about the topic, bringing in vocab that might come up. Then we might do some kind of prediction activity--like I might do a silent viewing or just play the introduction, something like that. Then move to something based on main points of the passage, anything from true /false to IDing significant numbers or names, places, putting events in order. It depends on what they are listening to and their level. Next maybe more details, perhaps some gap fills based on key vocab and work on guessing meaning from context. The detailed exercises should help the students to ID and understand the main and supporting points of the script, and to train them to take notes.

I like to end with some kind of general note-taking to prepare a summary of the main points which can be either written or spoken.

Then, finally, I would give the transcript and if I am feeling generous, I may play the tape or vid one more time to let them follow along. I always tell my class that a transcript is very rare since there are no transcripts in real life and to take it and study it.

I love teaching listening, it is so much fun and opens up the possibilities for so much creativity.
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