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Why is it so difficult to get teachers to go to Malaysia?
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leonconnelly



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject: Why is it so difficult to get teachers to go to Malaysia? Reply with quote

I know the usual gripes about money will come out but I suspect it is more than that. I would like to hear the other reasons from you guys. Is it lifestyle, the work, the country? What?
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saint57



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lifestyle, the work, the country?


All of these things are awesome in my opinion. I know you don't want to hear it, but it's all about the money. I have worked very hard this year and I've had a great time, but I wouldn't have signed for another year without a big raise. Luckily, I got one.
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laconic



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: But Reply with quote

I believe there are many people interested in teaching there but "Los Jefes" that do the hiring seem to automatically exclude non-British speakers of English regardless of how qualified they are.

If Malaysia doesn't have enough qualified foreign teachers, this just might be contributing to the problem. Rolling Eyes
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saint57



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from Canada, eh? I'd say Malaysians have a hard on for both British and Australian education.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call me a cynic, but I reckon it's because there's no jobs advertised lah.
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TwinCentre



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is the money! The money is bad! That is the only reason, as the country is ace!
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't have to pay high salaries to foreigners because there are plenty of qualified local English speakers to do the teaching.
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TwinCentre



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I know they can get local teachers....and they don't earn much either.

I wouldn't like to try and recruit for Malaysia, I have stated on this forum in the past, Malaysia really is a trully 'hidden gem' in the tefl world. Most people think of Malaysia has a Muslim country, just good for beach holidays, and Thailand over shadows it for fun and experience in most peoples minds.

We know that not to be true of course.....

But the salaries are silly. Really....

In BKK, judging from www.ajarn.com, experienced teachers get 4500 ish rm (45,000 bhat) plus, and I reckon life is a bit cheaper up there, just a bit, food and stuff, alcohol maybe, Hod is better placed to give a comparison on that...

If the money was better I would have stayed there and probably stayed 4ever....
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Hod



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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TwinCentre wrote:
Hod is better placed to give a comparison on that...


I certainly am.

Forget Malaysia, one big yawnfest for a teacher on less than RM6000 a month.

Go to Thailand. More money, better women, better money and more women.

On a more frivolous note, Bangkok alone has a veritable plethora of half-decent education providers. If one sucks or you get fired, no worries � go to another place. But the names and addresses of schools in the entire country of Malaysia could be written down on a very small post-it note. And if you took away the ones who�ll get you a work permit, make that a postage stamp.
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TwinCentre



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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Hod, think I have a chance of being accepted to TEFL in Thailand?

Malaysia has a better advert on CNN and the theme song is wicked
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Cardinal Synn



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Why is it so difficult to get teachers to go to Malaysia?"

Because they can kill you for smoking a spliff? I bet that's a turn off for some.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't smoke spliffs then.
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Cardinal Synn



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh of course! Why didn't I think of that? After all smoking a bit of ganja is such a serious offence and should be punished by death.
So if I told you that gays are executed in Iran, you'd say don't be gay (I'm not)if you work there?

What I was implying, is that some of us are put off by a country that openly advertises the death penalty for merely partaking in the smoking of a herb. Such laws point to a draconian judicial system - not very attractive to a lot of westerners. Whether or not I smoke spliffs is not the point.
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saint57



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They aren't going to execute you for smoking weed. I always read about raids on clubs where they make all the people give pee samples. They are looking for much harder drugs like E and coke. Considering the frequency of these raids, I doubt the penalty is severe.

If you're busted trafficking, that's a different matter. However, I suspect the vast majority of foreigners who are executed are from Thailand or Myanmar.

Here is a list of Australians who have been executed. Notice that none are for possession. Also notice the dates of execution. Please consider that Australia isn't so far from Malaysia, so I suspect Aussies have the highest execution toll for Western countries. Finally, notice the drug involved in all cases.

Malaysia

Kevin Barlow Drug trafficking (Heroin) November 9, 1983 Executed Executed by hanging on July 7, 1986.

Brian Chambers Drug trafficking (Heroin) November 9, 1983 Executed Executed by hanging on July 7, 1986.

Michael McAuliffe Sydney, New South Wales Drug trafficking (Heroin) June 29, 1985 Executed Executed by hanging in June 1993.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cardinal Synn wrote:
So if I told you that gays are executed in Iran, you'd say don't be gay (I'm not)if you work there?


If you go to Iran, don't be gay.
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