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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't advise you to lie to your wife, but you don't always have to be entirely truthful. If you think your wife happens to look fat one day, will you tell her?
Every woman is sensitive about various things and has weaknesses, like all of us. By now, you should know your wife is sensitive about what she buys you or about clothes, so be a bit more aware about what you say. I'm not defending her, but you should have known better.
I also agree this is not a cultural issue. My wife is Canadian like I am and I could see her taking offence to something similar, though to a lesser degree. |
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Sour Grape
Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 241
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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There might well be deeper marital problems, but that tie conversation sounds like it took place while she was having a woman's period. |
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azarashi sushi

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 562 Location: Shinjuku
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Just tell her you like the friggin' tie and shut up.
Kind of sad, but I suppose if it works.....
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Yeah, I agree. She buys a man of your age and size a DORAEMON tie???? I mean, really, what was she thinking?
But how is it in Woop Woop Usania? Is it considered a nice or polite thing to do, to tell someone who gives you a gift that you don't like it? |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I just wanted to point out that he didn't say it wasn't his favourite tie, he said Doraemon wasn't his favourite animation figure. That's all.  |
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nonsmoker

Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Exactly here and now.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Just pretend you like the tie and wear it until you walk out the door and out of sight, then change ties with the one you've secretly tied to your thigh. |
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shuize
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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azarashi sushi wrote: |
Yeah, I agree. She buys a man of your age and size a DORAEMON tie???? I mean, really, what was she thinking?
But how is it in Woop Woop Usania? Is it considered a nice or polite thing to do, to tell someone who gives you a gift that you don't like it? |
No. Telling people their gift sucks does not usually go over well. However, mentioning that as much as you like it, ties with manga characters don't really suit your professional work environment should be acceptable. If you spouse isn't an idiot, that is. Of course, buying cartoon character ties for a job that requires you wear one (as much as actually wearing one) sort of raises that issue for both parties. |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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azarashi sushi and
shuize
Ugh, but I actually like the tie, as quoted I said it has an animation charatcer that is not my favorite. I alo have a snoopy tie as well. And no, for my job, it doesn't make any difference, generally a tie is a tie, except when it is one your wife bought .
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Every woman is sensitive about various things and has weaknesses, like all of us. By now, you should know your wife is sensitive about what she buys you or about clothes, so be a bit more aware about what you say. I'm not defending her, but you should have known better.
I also agree this is not a cultural issue. My wife is Canadian like I am and I could see her taking offence to something similar, though to a lesser degree.
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Wanna swap ?
What I meant by a cultural issue is I think generally speaking Japanese tend to be more sensitive to these kinds of things. She already knew the information mentioned, it had already been discussed in a conversation previously that did not lead to such an angry outburst. Just like if I remind you that your dog is missing wouldn't change the situation that was previously discussed, that the dog is gone from our sight. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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I find the Japanese can be amazingly blunt. They'll say "oh, you've gotten fat" or "your haircut makes you look old". |
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shuize
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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gaijinalways wrote: |
Ugh, but I actually like the tie, as quoted I said it has an animation charatcer (sic) that is not my favorite. I alo (sic) have a snoopy tie as well. And no, for my job, it doesn't make any difference, generally a tie is a tie, except when it is one your wife bought . |
Manga and Snoopy ties. I see I over estimated the work environment. My mistake. (And yet, some still have to ask what perception Japanese have of EFL teachers.) |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Manga and Snoopy ties. I see I over estimated the work environment. My mistake. (And yet, some still have to ask what perception Japanese have of EFL teachers.) |
Actually university staff and students have asked me where they can buy the same ones, so I would say you better rethink your theories. Some of the Japanese professors wear jeans, should I think any less of them? I am not sure why such a tie would make a difference as to whether someone can teach well. Maybe the pianist's coat story would be a good one for you to study.
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I find the Japanese can be amazingly blunt. They'll say "oh, you've gotten fat" or "your haircut makes you look old". |
I have seen some evidence of this, but it seems to have double standards. In other words, it's okay for them to say it, but not for you to even imply it back at them(though I often hint I dislike lazy students).
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Wife decided that today I shouldn't share such 'secrets' with students. And I simply said yes (azarashi sushi would have been proud ).
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 559 Location: U.S.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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shuize wrote: |
Manga and Snoopy ties. I see I over estimated the work environment. My mistake. (And yet, some still have to ask what perception Japanese have of EFL teachers.) |
On your way to killing another thread, I see. |
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Quibby84

Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 643 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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I dont see why just because she bought it for you it has to be your favorite, and I dont see why it not being your favorite would bother her so much...BUT I do see her being over emotional because her hormones are out of control...
My husband and I have a really good relationship but there have been times when I have gotten angry over the stupidest things and later I dont even know why I was angry, my hormones take control of my body...
This may be what is with your wife....but it can only be what is wrong with your wife if she does it only once a month...If this is what is wrong with your wife then the only thing you can do is let things slide for a week or so.... |
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Sage

Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Posts: 144 Location: Iwate no inaka!
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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My girl got my a tie for X-Mas that I was sort of bland to. I liked it cause she got it for me but I didn't really like the style...
The first time I wore it to work I had two people ask me where I got it and how much it cost. That made me feel great! It reminded me how important honmei is. It's the love behind the present not what the present it self is. |
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nonsmoker

Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Exactly here and now.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Quibby84 wrote: |
I dont see why just because she bought it for you it has to be your favorite, and I dont see why it not being your favorite would bother her so much...BUT I do see her being over emotional because her hormones are out of control...
My husband and I have a really good relationship but there have been times when I have gotten angry over the stupidest things and later I dont even know why I was angry, my hormones take control of my body...
This may be what is with your wife....but it can only be what is wrong with your wife if she does it only once a month...If this is what is wrong with your wife then the only thing you can do is let things slide for a week or so.... |
Yeah, women generally have a tendency to spontaneously have hormone rages. One minute they're fine and the next - BOOM! You're there apologizing to them and you don't even know why. I guess it's hard to live with them but even harder to live without them. Women are awesome . |
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J.
Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 327
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: Jeesh! |
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Yeah , women are the only ones at the mercy of their raging hormones. And yet, strangely, we commit far fewer murders. Must be our hormones.
About the only one making a lick o' sense here is the poster who said try to treat your wife like a person who is upset, not a woman who is upset. Instead of worrying about how to avoid the argument and sweep the whole thing under the carpet, as some of the less enlightened have suggested, ( and which will only increase the frustration not diffuse it ) ask her what's wrong and allow her to talk, and listen to her. Then after you have listened, you can reassure her, apologize for seeming insensitive, if that is the case, or just reiterate that since the two of you probably have some cultural differences in your communication styles, you will have to be more patient than average with each other, and tell each other when you cross over the line, and of course you are willing to do this because you value your wonderful relationship. And then, as soon as possible, do something meaningful together that you both enjoy, and have some fun! (For example, go out to a movie.)
You have my respect and empathy because I think you and your wife have earned it after nine years of doing something right!!! And hey, if you're a guy who' s willing to wear her Doraemon ties, she's got herself a prince.  |
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