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fox1
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 268
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: What do you teach high school students?? |
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Hi,
Help! I'm not sure what I should teach these kids.
They are really low, with an attention span of about 2 seconds, and they can barely answer "What are you doing?".
But I get the vibe from the Japanese teachers, and their awful textbook, that they want me to teach horribly complicated stuff like: "It would have made me so happy to have realized you were impressed by my lunch."
I don't know whether to teach simple conversation skills starting with the simple present, simple continuous, etc. and build a foundation, or do as the Japanese teachers and "impart" complicated stuff that the kids don't have a hope of producing themselves.  |
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Nismo

Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 520
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Are you a JET? I don't think you'll have much say over what's taught in the classroom, if that's the case. You can try and offer suggestions to the JTE. Request a short pop-quiz (it's imperative that students not be given the chance to study before it) on what the students "should know" from the very beginning steps of English to the current topic in the text book. Whatever they can't do, they obviously need to review.
In this case, it's probably best to preempt the request by making the test yourself, and then submitting it as an example to the JTE when you suggest it being administered.
Don't hope for much, as it really seems like the material to be taught is predetermined and inflexible, so even if the JTE wanted to go back and review the basics, they simply can't do it. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| I've never been an ALT but is it possible to negotiate some time to teach the kids the basics of conversation. Simple stuff like, greetings, apologies, compliments, etc. In the class give the students basic models to use and then get them to do it themselves. When negotiating with the JTE try to emphasise that you are teaching 'conversation' rather than going over basic grammar. |
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fox1
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 268
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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I'm a T-NET.. you know, alt, jet, net, t-net, whatever.
I am free to teach them whatever I want, for the whole 50 minutes I should add.
So far, OK I guess. I try to get these (mostly) guys, (unwilling to use L2 it's fair to say), to get up and move around and take on characters, etc.
I'd like to get a ball park idea of what I want the students to say.
I come from a conversation school background, and I want them to be able to communicate: "What do you like to do?", "Do you have a cell phone?", "Is it expensive?", "How much is it?", "What do you do on weekends"?, etc, etc. and, of course, really use the language to suit their interests.
But I don't know if I'm on the right track.. |
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azarashi sushi

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 562 Location: Shinjuku
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| I taught some low(ish) level high school students a couple of years ago and had a lot of success using the books "Now You're Talking" and "Talk A Lot". It's fairly simple conversation type stuff and well laid out, I thought. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Face it. Foreigners' main responsibility is to provide listening practice and give oral communication opportunities. Don't even think about using such complex language as you wrote originally.
Give them chances to interact. You should speak about 10-20% of the time. Have them do surveys or info gaps. Do BINGO to review vocabulary (PM me for details). Get them to do things in small groups so that you don't embarrass individuals in front of the whole class. Use realia. Don't neglect listening skills, so show video clips or play audio clips for practice.
Just keep it simple and enjoyable. Serious will kill the moment and your chances of much success. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: Re: What do you teach high school students?? |
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| They are really low, with an attention span of about 2 seconds, and they can barely answer "What are you doing?". |
It's hard to know what if any answer would be appropriate without knowing more about the context (that is, this is a pretty confrontational question right off the bat, even if you added a time adverb to refer to a future time rather than the (usually implicit and thus unmentioned) present).
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But I get the vibe from the Japanese teachers, and their awful textbook, that they want me to teach horribly complicated stuff like: "It would have made me so happy to have realized you were impressed by my lunch."
I don't know whether to teach simple conversation skills starting with the simple present, simple continuous, etc. and build a foundation, or do as the Japanese teachers and "impart" complicated stuff that the kids don't have a hope of producing themselves.  |
I don't think the more involved of the conditional structures should necessarily be beyond even teenagers, but you have to draw a distinction between simply recognizing the construction and understanding its meaning (generally, and specifically, from whatever verbs are within it), and being able to get to the point (in any human relationship's discourse) where the use would become an imperative, irrepressible (and how many courses, especially in Japan and/or at this level, get students to that point).
But you may be able to forge a compromize between the two pedagogical poles (of conversation versus "detailed", "textual", "analysis") by often reminding students of the basics lurking in the latter, and potentially useful examples of attested, specific lexicogrammar (along with contextual information) illustrating the same structural properties as the drier, less useful Japan-produced textbookese.
Nismo's advice is good (to be proactive, but not unrealistic in your expectations). Be wary though of asking to teach only 'Conversation', however, because you might end up just drilling a jumble of phrases (many less easy, useful or flexible than you'd previously anticipated) - try to get a good coursebook to support you (like AS says). Hmm, not sure why Glenski always seems so opposed to an AET trying to model the language and give it proper functional shape (rather than the JTE), if that language is definitely going to get taught one way or the other (and badly, if we don't try and do anything about it), but maybe I've got bingo or the usual sort of info gaps all wrong LOL (less facetiously, though, I agree with his recommendations of group work and using AV).
Even if you can't always teach the way you want, try to continue thinking and planning as if you had more autonomy and more capable colleagues and students; and whatever you have planned (or actually get to implement) will doubtless not always go quite according to plan (though hopfeully not due to wilful obstruction), in which case you'll be benefitting from not being able to take things for granted (which colleagues in more "priveleged" settings often do); end result is that you become a more flexible, well-rounded and resourceful teacher (that being said, I wouldn't recommend staying in Japan too long, lest you fail to develop professionally to quite the same degree as those teachers elsewhere are perhaps doing...or do more able students give the teacher an "easier" time overall?). |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| not sure why Glenski always seems so opposed to an AET trying to model the language and give it proper functional shape (rather than the JTE), if that language is definitely going to get taught one way or the other |
You have me all wrong, and I don't know why.
We have a "T-NET" (something I've never heard of) claiming he/she doesn't " know whether to teach simple conversation skills starting with the simple present, simple continuous, etc. and build a foundation, or do as the Japanese teachers and "impart" complicated stuff that the kids don't have a hope of producing themselves."
If you don't know what to do as the bare basics, there's a problem, don't you agree, fluffy? JTEs provide the foundation with grammar explanations in L1. As students progress through HS, it gets very tough, and they are asked/required to do grammar translation even though they can barely understand what the teacher tells them, and even though it helps them not one iota in being able to speak (i.e., communicate) it.
Are we native speakers there to "model" the language? Of course! How else can we be dubbed (by me) as people who "provide listening practice and give oral communication opportunities"?
I've taught solo and with a JTE. I've also monitored a solo JTE in action (and in every case noticed 10-20% of students asleep even in the front row). When I team-taught, I was usually in charge, although I preferred an equal approach. My job in both situations was to be the model for the pronunciation, and to provide examples and activities for natural OC.
What we have here with fox's situation seems to be a very chaotic uncontrolled class of low level students that he/she admits not knowing how to teach. Discipline first, and a dose of reality helps. And, we are in the middle of the school year as well. Not a really terrific time to try changing one's style, but better late than never. The key is that they are low level learners and the OP is lost. Go with the easy route, I say. Be the listening model, do info gaps, play BINGO (my way has always kept their attention and stirred participation), get them rocking with surveys and small group activities, etc. Leave the grammar and "complicated stuff" to the JTEs. |
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