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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Every time I try to fake a British accent I sound Scottish. My accent skills used to be quite good. I spent several months working on a private yacht. My fellow crew members were Canadian, American, Scottish, British, and NZ. I used to be able to tell the any native English speakers country, but alas, that skill has faded. |
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dduck

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 422 Location: In the middle
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Okay, as I explain it these days. The name of the island is Great Britain - everything on it is British, that is, it comes from that island. On that island you find three nations: the English (largest group), the Scots (next largest), and the Welsh (often confused with sheep).
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schminken

Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 109 Location: Austria (The Hills are Alive)
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I have a American Southern Accent. Not a "Gone with the Wind Scarlett" accent, more of an Applachian one. It's not very thick though.
A funny thing happened in class the other day. A student was talking about a video clip I had shown them and said, "Yes we need practice listening to other accents and not yours because you speak so slowly and clearly for our sake." Tee hee. I was shocked. It was my normal speaking voice and I have never "dumbed it down" for them. Oh well.
My grandparents lived deep in the Appalachian mountains and spoke a really interesting dialect. I usually never understood them. It was something close to Elizabethen English spoken with a thick southern twang. I wish I had gotten it on tape, because the dialect is slowly on its last legs. |
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ha'anala

Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Posts: 19
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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schminken, where in the south did you grow up?
I was thinking I was the only American Southerner here...I usually don't admit where I'm from. The tendency here in the states is to assume anyone from the south is a little slow and far from intelligent. (but I guess the slow speaking does help out the students, eh?)
I grew up listening to my mother constantly butchering the English language...
It wasn't "argue" it was ar-gee.
wash became warsh (our president lives in Warshinten,DC)
There were no words ending in -ing in her vocabulary, everything was just -in:
fishin, warshin, pushin, etc...
Listening to this everyday was a constant reminder for me to work on my pronunciation. I sometimes like to speak with my version of a British, Irish or Scottish accent (nothing like the real thing), but if I do it regularly it helps to drive the southern drawl out of my regular speech.
Right now I'm living in the south, and most people around here will tell me that I have no accent. Of course if I go anywhere above the Mason-Dixon Line they can pick up my accent. Also if I hang out with people from work much (mostly good ole southern boys), then my drawl comes sneaking back in.
One of the biggest complements I ever received was when my former boss who grew up in Minnesota thought I was from the North.  |
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Capergirl

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1232 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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dduck wrote: |
Okay, as I explain it these days. The name of the island is Great Britain - everything on it is British, that is, it comes from that island. On that island you find three nations: the English (largest group), the Scots (next largest), and the Welsh (often confused with sheep).
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All right, I'll risk looking like a dumb@ss. I didn't know this, Iain, and thank you for the clarification (I'm great with languages but sh*t with geography ). I'd always thought that "The British Isles" was England, Scotland, and Wales (and Ireland?), "The United Kingdom" was Scotland and England, and "Britain" was England only. I seem to have mucked it up.  |
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dduck

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 422 Location: In the middle
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Capergirl wrote: |
I'd always thought that "The British Isles" was England, Scotland, and Wales (and Ireland?), "The United Kingdom" was Scotland and England, and "Britain" was England only. I seem to have mucked it up.  |
Your right about the first point: the British Isles (note the plural) is the collective name for both islands: Great Britain and Eire. The United Kingdom is yet another collection. In 1801 the UK was all of Britain - as I defined it earlier - and Ireland. This existed until 1921 when the republic of Ireland broke away, leaving (or rather being forced to leave) Northern Ireland behind. Which is where we are today.
Also, Scottish and English crowns united 400 years ago, in 1603. The countries didn't unite for another 100 years, in 1707. Establishing a timeline: the US of A didn't establish itself until 1776 - so Ireland was n't part of the UK at the time. About 100 years later my great*3 grandfather came over from Ireland to Scotland.
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
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FGT

Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Question: How many islands make up the British Isles?
Britain and Ireland, obviously. Then there's the Isle of Man, the Isle of Wight, the Hebrides, Orkneys and Shetlands. Am I right in thinking that the Channel Islands are not included? |
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dduck

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 422 Location: In the middle
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Here's some more info:
British Isles
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schminken

Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 109 Location: Austria (The Hills are Alive)
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:46 am Post subject: |
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ha'anala Born in southern georgia and raised in Tennessee:)
Yes,I know all about warshing and taking a shure. My dad actually says I holped him instead of I helped him. My mom says "eye-talian food". That drives me insane. I love my accent and have never been ashamed of it. I do get tired of repeating things for yankees while they squeal with delight and say, "oooooooo how cute!". I also find that when I am in a group of other foreign teachers, I get singled out as "the southern one." But hey, it's all good:)
I was once asked if I would consider taking accent reduction sessions. I thought about it for a while and then declined. I think accents make people unique and I love all of them. They are all interesting. It would be a boring world if everyone spoke the same way.
I notice with my students, I try to speak more "correctly". But if you heard my weekly phone call to my mother, I sound as if the south had risen again:)
That's all y'all.
What's on the go, buddy wah? Did ya go after? |
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Snoopy
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 185
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:09 am Post subject: Accent? What accent? |
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Clearly articulated Educated Cheshire English (and they say I'm posh). |
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose after 56 years I must have a real Australian accent.
I have noticed that the kids seem to understand me but the Chinese English teachers have trouble understanding some of my words - I have no idea why. The other day we were talking and I said the word "doll" and not one of the 8 teachers understood me.
I think it must be hard for the children. One year they get an Aussie, the next someone from the U.K., then someone from the U.S.A and everyone sounds completely different.
In one of my older classes they did a "word search" puzzle from America and out of the 15 words, I had to explain 4 of them were different in Australia i.e. Crib (bassinet), Diaper (nappy), Pacifier (dummy) Stroller (pusher). It is ridiculous when you think about it.
In Australia, words for things even change between the States - b****y ridiculous! |
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Minhang Oz

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 610 Location: Shanghai,ex Guilin
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I can speak Aussie English when need be, but several years of enunciating clearly for Chinese and Japanese students, and some time in the UK mean that a lot of native speakers don't pick an accent. We get regular Australian short-term [5 weeks] teachers coming to deliver units, and their accents are STRONG, especially as they're teaching tech. subjects and have blue collar backgrounds. "Royce" [rice], "Choyneez" [Chinese] and so on.
As for the vocab differences.....mei you ban fa. Just teach the variations as with the spelling. It's a big English speaking world. |
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dduck

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 422 Location: In the middle
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Rhonda Place wrote: |
I think it must be hard for the children. One year they get an Aussie, the next someone from the U.K., then someone from the U.S.A and everyone sounds completely different. |
Isn't the point that the kids learn the different accents? More importantly aren't the kids being exposed to the different types of anglo-saxon culture. Surely, the more they learn about language and culture, the more flexible their thinking will be, and they'll be better able to cope with different cultural situations. I don't feel sorry for them in the least.
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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"different types of anglo-saxon culture." Is this irony? |
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dduck

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 422 Location: In the middle
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I thought irony was something you did to your clothesy.
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