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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: Home country marriage a year later- good or bad idea |
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I and my Chinese wife were married this past March here in China. Due to health problems, we could not go back to the states that summer for a second home wedding. (Actually we had a three marriages here in China, traditional Chinese, Church, and then on a local tv marriage show.
I am thinking about setting up a wedding next summer when we go back for a visit next summer. About 16 months after our original Chinese wedding.
Pros: Film it for our Chinse students, new experience for my Chinese wife, excuse for old friends to get together, maybe even a chance for my five sibling to reunite after a falling out over my mother's meager estate several years ago.
Con: Totally socially tacky to get married a year and a half after our marriage? (my ignorance about some social matter is huge)
Invitation to reopen the family feud?
Thoughts are welcome
It would be a church wedding with an outdoor rception, or even barbeque if that is not to exceedingly tacky. My church has a nice area outside, pavilion, voleybal, that kind of stuff |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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It would be nice for your family to see the two of you and expose your wife to US culture.
Though you might have to go through the legal issues of getting married in the church, like pre marital counselor, though techically, you are married so I don-t think that you could get married. What you could do is a revewal of vows.
Another con, expensive, especially coming from China. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: |
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renewal of vows. hmm. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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I 'm pretty sure it-s the only thing you can do.
When we get married in the church, it-ll be in Peru too, but it's not legal. It's just the religious ceremony. I suppose it's legal in God's eyes, but not in the states |
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cspitzig
Joined: 01 Nov 2007 Posts: 56
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Is it relevant religiously(as far as God's eyes)? I thought people just got married multiple times(or vows renewed) for social reasons. Like, participating in the ritual WITH one's community. I thought God was happy as long as there was already a church wedding. |
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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I did it.
If you are serious about keeping a vow for life, even when the going gets tough, I would.
The only real downside for me was that it WAS socially tacky, but not because of my attitudes, but because of my family's, who all left within 2 hours of the service (a kind of eat-and-go-home reception). It was a disappointment compared to the Russian ceremony and reception, which was, while done at home by incredibly poor people (at the time) by our standards was totally blow-out and hard to top.
That said, when my wife was getting her citizenship it came in handy that we actually had an American license (we were able to present it at one of the interviews, along with our firstborn son early on at one of the interviews).
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Is it relevant religiously(as far as God's eyes)? I thought people just got married multiple times(or vows renewed) for social reasons. Like, participating in the ritual WITH one's community. I thought God was happy as long as there was already a church wedding. |
Hey, cspitzig, it depends on your faith! As an Orthodox Christian, I'll say that yes, getting a church blessing for a civil marriage is an excellent idea. (The result of my conversion was that we had a 3rd wedding!) The difference is you are making a lifelong vow (rather than a mere commitment) before God, which civil services don't do. It wasn't a renewal of (rusty? expired?) vows, but a Christianization of them.
Oh yeah, we've now been married 16 years, 3 kids, doing fine. There are rocky spots, but, then, everybody has them! To all you younger married folks, I'll say that things get better when you realize that love is more something you do than something you feel. When you feel like cr*p and like she doesn't love you, and you still get up to go to work, take out the trash, fix the roof and bring flowers in the evening, that's where love starts! I still get kisses at the door!  |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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WE are only married civillly and I was working for a Catholica uni in Peru. They told uswe weren't allowed to live together because we weren't married in the eyes of God. |
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asgerd

Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Not speaking from experience here, but since you asked for thoughts:
The idea of getting your friends and siblings together for a reception (formal, ie in the sense of making it a reception and not just a random bash - I don't mean morning coats and a string quartet) sounds like a great plan, but do you really need another ceremony? I wonder if it will indeed occur to some people that it's not real anyway (esp after 16 months) as you've already covered that ground, and therefore be a disappointment, for them and you. And if you're worried about erupting feuds, this could provide just the spark, if some find it tacky and only come out of obligation (or stay away). Depending on what your church is like, you could still have some sort of blessing. Actually it could be great opportunity to plan something really meaningful and different to celebrate your marriage (rather than the wedding per se) and welcome your wife to the family and all that.
Anyway good luck with it - may you be as happy as rusmeister! |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Asgerd
yes some of the concerns you stated are the cons in my mind
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Actually it could be great opportunity to plan something really meaningful and different to celebrate your marriage |
I consider the wedding to be meaningful and different Different for my Chinese wife, she likes the idea, and meaningful for me to make the vows before my Christian friends and hear a sermon by one of the Pastors I appreciate
And the church has great outdoor grounds for a laid back relatively inexpensive reception
The family aspect is one of interest/concern. On one hand, it will get them together at one place. And I know them, they will be civilized at a wedding. But then if I seat one of them art a "better" place, it ill be taken as a sign of favoritism. And I thought planning seating for a Chinese wedding horrible.
Thanx all for you thoughts |
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asgerd

Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Oops - didn't mean to suggest that your wedding wouldn't be meaningful! sorry. I meant more that it could different and also meaningful to celebrate a 16-month-old marriage, rather than reprise the wedding.
Anyway it sounds like you both really want to do this, so go for it. |
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Gringo Greg
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 264 Location: Everywhere and nowhere
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Reception is what you need to do.
Want to do a ceremony in front of the church? I know the Nazarene church(and I assume many others) have a special ceremony they do for couples married civilly but without the church's blessings. It's not exactly a renewal of vows, but it is an acceptance of the marriage in front of the church by the pastor. Basically, bring the two up and reaffirm them and then introduce them as husband and wife to the congregation. It takes just a few minutes. It's been about 13 years so I really don't remember or want to remember the particulars.
It just might be what you are looking for and I'll bet your minister will do it for you during the regular Sunday service. You don't have to spend a lot of money on wedding ceremony and instead spend it on the reception.
Make a slideshow DVD of all of your wedding pictures from China to run on a TV at the reception. That way everyone can share those memories as well.
I think you have enough information to go on now, it's just really up to you and want you want. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'll say that things get better when you realize that love is more something you do than something you feel. |
Great thought. And one of the many rewards when you do it all the time, whether you feel like it or not, is that you (both) get to feel it some of the time. And the times get more frequent with practice!
Best,
Justin
PS- not married; may not share your views about it entirely- but I know a good thought when I see one. And it doesn't just apply to the whole man/woman thing, but to all human relationships- act right, and the feelings follow. |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: |
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I'll say that things get better when you realize that love is more something you do than something you feel. |
Reading this line, I realized that some may take that the wrong way .
But, overall, I would say it's true. I think it's a combination of doing the right thing because you know it'll make you and the people you love feel happy. Somnetimes though, reality kicks in, and you have to look at the long term, as in the short term you may be anything but happy. |
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markholmes

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 661 Location: Wengehua
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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I married my Canadian wife (I'm from the UK) in Taiwan for the purpose of getting permanent residency in Canada. I could have done it on my own, but it would have taken years.
Neither of us wanted to get married, but needs must. So we had a civic ceremony in Taipei. Even though my parents could have attended, we banned them as my wifes parents couldn't. We videoed the whole thing though and sent off copies within days.
Two years later we did it all again in Vancouver and even went through the process of signing a phoney wedding certficate. To this day our parents don't know it was fake.
They send us anniversary cards on that day, which is actually quite meaningless to us, as that wasn't our proper wedding.
Still, everyone's happy and that's the main thing. |
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