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| Would you encourage someone to come to China in search of a job with an L or an F visa with the intention of changing it to a Z visa, regardless of the province ? |
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Lorean
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 476
Location: Beijing
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 Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Entering China on a L-visa to evaluate potential employers, sign contracts and determine if you can live here, is fine so long as you do not commence work without a Z-visa. Given the current situation, you should expect to have to return to your home country to process your Z-visa.
Entering China on an L-visa/F-visa commencing work at some random "Pink Rainbow English" school is not recommended. |
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Moon Over Parma
Joined: 20 May 2007
Posts: 819
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Danwei |
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| North China Laowei wrote: |
Dear Moon Over Parma,
Forgive me but I checked out www.danwei.org and found it particularly worthless. Lots and lots of very, very stale job postings and lots of information that seemed as if it had been lifted from the China Daily. I found absolutely nothing about the visa issue that you mentioned above.
NCL |
HFG,
If you didn't find links and articles then clearly you didn't visit the site. Their archived posts proves your observation wrong. On the other hand, given how the majority of China based bloggers and journalists regularly give praise to Danwei.org and its crew for the diversity and accuracy of information; clearly many of us see it for what it is. |
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erica63
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Posts: 24
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Lorean wrote: |
| Entering China on a L-visa to evaluate potential employers, sign contracts and determine if you can live here, is fine so long as you do not commence work without a Z-visa. Given the current situation, you should expect to have to return to your home country to process your Z-visa. |
Here's my dilemma: I plan to enter on an L-visa (which I have already obtained) in June for these very reasons, fully intending to obtain a Z-visa before working. I want to commit to less than 6 months and am weary of employers who will take me over the internet, especially since I've never been to China before and am not sure what to expect. I am planning to travel to Hong Kong to switch it but could travel anywhere is Asia that is cheaper than going to the U.S. It seems like Killian's requirement to return to the U.S. is due to an extenuating circumstance. It is an actual likelihood that I--or any other run-of-the-mill teacher with a TEFL and Bachelor's--will not be able to obtain a Z-visa in Asia? Are there other places I could go besides HK? |
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Lorean
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 476
Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| erica63 wrote: |
| Lorean wrote: |
| Entering China on a L-visa to evaluate potential employers, sign contracts and determine if you can live here, is fine so long as you do not commence work without a Z-visa. Given the current situation, you should expect to have to return to your home country to process your Z-visa. |
Here's my dilemma: I plan to enter on an L-visa (which I have already obtained) in June for these very reasons, fully intending to obtain a Z-visa before working. I want to commit to less than 6 months and am weary of employers who will take me over the internet, especially since I've never been to China before and am not sure what to expect. I am planning to travel to Hong Kong to switch it but could travel anywhere is Asia that is cheaper than going to the U.S. It seems like Killian's requirement to return to the U.S. is due to an extenuating circumstance. It is an actual likelihood that I--or any other run-of-the-mill teacher with a TEFL and Bachelor's--will not be able to obtain a Z-visa in Asia? Are there other places I could go besides HK? |
With the current situation (Olympics), none of us really knows what the government is doing with visa regs.
A foreign teacher at my school was on an L visa had his residence permit application rejected last month, whereas another teacher's application was accepted. You should be fully financially prepare to make the trip back to the U.S. to obtain your visa. |
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Moon Over Parma
Joined: 20 May 2007
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Eyrick3
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
Posts: 161
Location: Beijing, China
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| I NEVER see anyone asking these people why they don't just start out on the right foot and do the preliminary work stateside. |
Procuring a work visa, especially right now with the Olympics, takes about 6 weeks, if you live in a city with a Chinese embassy, and hundreds of dollars. Why would someone waste their time and money when they can just wait for their employer to do it for them?
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| Why does he want to come in under the radar? |
Most people don't want to "come in under the radar". Instead, they're told that they can get their visa changed once they arrive. Unfortunately, more often than not, employers lie about this during the recruiting process. So, no, these people aren't "trolls", but those who were either a) taken advantage of, or b) didn't do their homework beforehand.
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| WHY so many people prefer not to take care of business at home |
Money, time, they don't know any better. See above.
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| Please don't flame me. I am merely asking for enlightenment, not trouble. |
You're not asking very politely. I can think of a hundred more polite and positive ways to go about asking for the information that you want than implying that everyone who comes into China on a tourist visa is ignorant or a "troll".
Most people just don't know better.
The reality is that everyone will promise a visa once you arrive, and that most will not (or cannot) live up to those promises. This is why it's important that everyone thoroughly research their prospective employer before making the commitment to fly halfway across the world. |
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senorfay
Joined: 08 Mar 2007
Posts: 214
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I got a job with a poo-poo company over the Internet, had all the proper documents, flew into Hong Kong before heading to Harbin, got my Entry visa sorted out there, worked for the company and quit three months later with Foreign Expert permit and RP in hand, had a few issues 9 months later when the RP ran out, but I was able to take care of the issues without bribes or paying any of my own money.
The point is this: it's idiotic to come in on the wrong visa. I knew it from the beginning. There were schools I was looking at who told me they could change my visa for me, but I flipped them the bird and moved on. I know some Russians who teach on a business visa, but that's their deal and they tell people they're from New Zealand to explain their accent away. I say come in on the Z, feel free to quit your job, and keep moving until you meet the right people and find the right school.
Sometimes you need to eat sh1t before the ambrosia. |
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william wallace
Joined: 14 May 2003
Posts: 2869
Location: in between
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| During normal times, I'd say that entering a country, in this case China on something other than a work visa is advisable,BUT at this "special" time in China-No,not advisable at all. |
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