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mishmumkin
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| Downplaying the reason only to native vs non-native teachers is not the solution in this case. |
The thread isn't really about native vs. non-native, but actually the use of ARabic by the teacher in the classroom. |
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Stephen Jones
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----"My point is: It would be nearly impossible for an English speaker to learn Chinese if the Chinese instructor spoke no English at all."------
Why? |
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Cleopatra
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Arabic is not like Chinese, it is a difficult language and is not easy to learn and master in a short time |
Yes, whereas it's well-known that Chinese is a doddle for foreign learners, who are able to master the tone system and and use the many thousands of commonly used characters within weeks of starting their studies. |
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15yearsinQ8
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: arabic |
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i took a french conversation class in high school in which NO ENGLISH WAS SPOKEN BY THE TEACHER and she corrected/translated any english utterances by students into french then refused to acknowledge the same utterance subsequent times
maybe she asked the class in french 'what does that mean in french, i told you...'
we were even given french names and identies - i was maria the shop keeper
forget physics and calculus - this was the toughest course i ever, ever, ever took - i was admittedly lost most of the time - maybe because i enjoyed napping in high school
when i studied education and language learning in college i realized this method was 'total immersion'
like most methods of language instruction it has a place, role, strengths/weaknesses and it can definately work (or fail)
having said that, a teacher that knows the students' L1 has definate advantages from rapport, classroom management, error identification, etc if they are able to utilize these advantages
knowledge (of the L1) is power - only if you use it or if others know/think you have it |
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15yearsinQ8
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: arabic |
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i also took 4 years of high school Latin - taught mostly through 'grammar translation method' in which no Latin was spoken or read (but we did do drills - amo, amus, amatum - etc or something) we did translations tilll we were blue in the face and if you think verb tenses can be weird in english - they can be weirder in latin and let's not talk about cases now.... oh brother..
i enjoyed the class but didn't think i was really picking the 'language' up
until many years later i heard a commencement address in latin and understood it - funny though - i 'saw' the words in my head like the many cicero passeges i translated
point is one can learn a language this way as well |
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lall
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Beginning |
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----"My point is: It would be nearly impossible for an English speaker to learn Chinese if the Chinese instructor spoke no English at all."------
Why? |
一怎麼將開始互作用過程？
Please copy and paste the above into Babel Fish. You may get a grammatically-incorrect translation, but it'll do. |
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Stephen Jones
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一怎麼將開始互作用過程？
Please copy and paste the above into Babel Fish. You may get a grammatically-incorrect translation, but it'll do. |
You're playing silly games, lall. Any competent EFL teacher can teach beginner and lower intermediate classes without once having to use the students L1. Those who say they can't lack training, experience, competence, or all three.
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| i realized this method was 'total immersion' |
Not necessarily. 'Total immersion' is when a student is taught all subjects in the host language, and there is no specific language training. It works for pre-pubertal students in a mixed, or mono-lingual L2, environment, and fails when a significant number of students share the same L1, so there is no need for the target language to be used for everyday communication. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Stephen Jones wrote: |
Any competent EFL teacher can teach beginner and lower intermediate classes without once having to use the students L1. Those who say they can't lack training, experience, competence, or all three.
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Correct. Would you mind posting this information on the Spain board where a certain gentleman stubbornly insists that knowledge of and use of the students' L1 is vital? |
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Cleopatra
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| I don't think the argument is about whether or not it is possible to teach a language without knowing the students' L1. Rather, I think the OP was asking if a knowledge of Arabic (or whatever the students' language may be) is beneficial to foreign teachers. My own view is that, while it is not essential, it is certainly very helpful. |
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mishmumkin
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