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phobofanatic



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Blacklist? Reply with quote
Is there a way to find out if someone has been put on a black list by the PSB? My friend broke her contract and returned home (after a threat by a PSB official that she wouldn't be allowed to return) and would like to know if she will be able to work in China again or not. Thanks!
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: Blacklist? Reply with quote
phobofanatic wrote:
Is there a way to find out if someone has been put on a black list by the PSB? My friend broke her contract and returned home (after a threat by a PSB official that she wouldn't be allowed to return) and would like to know if she will be able to work in China again or not. Thanks!


Please do a search for "blacklist" on this Board. It has a topic that has been so, so thoroughly covered and there are numerous posts, if not threads, about it.
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jeffinflorida



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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm going to say there may be a blacklist for those that come to China to spread religion, denounce China as a country or their politics, or perhaps commit a crime.

But I really think there is no blacklist for teachers who run or break their contract.

If so, I would have been denied entry into China a few years ago.

I have a new Z visa / RP in my passport and numerous expired visas.

So I think a teacher's blacklist is a myth...
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Anda



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:56 am    Post subject: Um Reply with quote
If it is like South Korea then yes there are blacklists but only for a province. So chose a different province.
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therock



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Blacklist? Reply with quote
phobofanatic wrote:
Is there a way to find out if someone has been put on a black list by the PSB? My friend broke her contract and returned home (after a threat by a PSB official that she wouldn't be allowed to return) and would like to know if she will be able to work in China again or not. Thanks!


Did your friend inform the school that she was leaving or did she leave without a word? Last year we had a teacher who arrived in China and then left within two weeks. He did have a Z visa but it hadn't been converted to a residence permit at the time he left. The school said he would never be allowed to work in the same province again. Don't know if they were talking BS or if its true.
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Blacklist? Reply with quote
therock wrote:
phobofanatic wrote:
Is there a way to find out if someone has been put on a black list by the PSB? My friend broke her contract and returned home (after a threat by a PSB official that she wouldn't be allowed to return) and would like to know if she will be able to work in China again or not. Thanks!


Did your friend inform the school that she was leaving or did she leave without a word? Last year we had a teacher who arrived in China and then left within two weeks. He did have a Z visa but it hadn't been converted to a residence permit at the time he left. The school said he would never be allowed to work in the same province again. Don't know if they were talking BS or if its true.


Dear Rock,

That all depends, truly all depends.

There is a blacklist of sorts maintained by the local Foreign Expert Bureaus. when and if they check it. If they are pushed enough they will make a special postie about the aberrant FT and then that FT will not be issued a FEC in the province again...at least until the memory of his or her malodorous doings fades into oblivion, sardonically speaking of course.

There are workarounds to all of this, of course, and unless the FT has engaged in criminal activity, the PSB generally does not get involved. I was witness to one incident where one FT was terminated (truly with just cause) and driven to the airport within 24 hours to be removed from the PRC. They checked him in, sent him through security and left. He checked himself 'out", bought a ticket for Beijing, landed a job in Beijing, arranged his papers, and has been working there ever since, although his best friend to this day remains Jack Daniels.

So like all things in China, this one falls into a big gray area.

NCL
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phobofanatic



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, she got in an argument with the private school she quit and the local police refused to renew her visa even though a uni wanted to hire her. The school boss was good friends with the police. I know she doesn't want to go back to that province, I guess she'll just have to try to get a job and see if the Z visa goes through or not? Gotta love it!
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:38 pm    Post subject: See Below Reply with quote
phobofanatic wrote:
Well, she got in an argument with the private school she quit and the local police refused to renew her visa even though a uni wanted to hire her. The school boss was good friends with the police. I know she doesn't want to go back to that province, I guess she'll just have to try to get a job and see if the Z visa goes through or not? Gotta love it!


In China the PSB would not take it upon itself to simply refuse as you write. If they refused your friend, it is because she could not present a letter of release, a letter of recommendation, a "quite letter" as the Chinese call it, etc., etc. All school bosses are "good friends" with the police in the eyes of the FT's but in the end it simply comes down to a bureaucratic shuffle. If she wants to stay in the same province and if her complaints were legitimate, and if she were working legally in the country, then she should have filed a complaint with the local Foreign Expert Bureau and/or tried to buy her way out of the contract.
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DistantRelative



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Can't speak for other locales, but I know of one teacher here in Xi'an who recently got his Visa on a probation type basis. He opted out of his last contract early, and his former employer wrote a "poor" recommendation letter. The result was, when applying for his new Visa with a new employer, he was initially refused. After using some guanxi, his new employer was able to secure a Visa for him, but only for 8 months. Apparently if he does well at his new job then the new employer will be able to get a longer term Visa next time around.


Zhuhao,


Shawn
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North China Laowei



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