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Native Speaker vs. Proficient Speaker
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zeebandre



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:19 am    Post subject: Native Speaker vs. Proficient Speaker Reply with quote

I am a Canadian citizen but I'm not a native speaker. I came to Canada when I was 12 and speak the language as well as native speakers do. I am currently enrolled in a one year TESL program and plan to do an MA in Applied Language studies next year. I'm wondering whether the fact that I wasn't born in an English speaking country will hinder my chances of finding employment in UAE. I'm particularly worried about the whole birth certificate business. Have you known anyone in a similar situation?

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773



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't think it would be a problem. I don't think you would need to produce your birth certificate, either...just your passport (which I assume is Canadian?).
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zeebandre



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, thanks for responding. Yes, my passport is Canadian. I thought I read somewhere that presenting a birth certificate is part of the process...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and if you check your passport - it lists your place of birth. However, I don't think it would impact on your chances of being hired, especially after a video conference interview. That being said, I would emphasize on my application that you have native proficiency having been educated and lived in Canada for so many years.
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like2answer



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't matter at all. In the interview they will listen to you. I have many friends who have English as their second language and teach English. I have friends born in different countries because their families were living overseas. Not an issue at all.
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Afra



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HCT has many non-native speakers teaching English and many of them were not brought up in English speaking countries.
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773



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You shouldn't have to show your birth certificate, only your passport, and even that would only be after you were already hired I would think.

If I were you, I wouldn't bother mentioning that you were not born in Canada or that you are a proficient speaker, as both are completely irrelevant; as someone said, once you are interviewed that will become clear anyway.
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zeebandre



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to everyone who replied. I'm happy to hear that this won't be a problem.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a note... this current academic year I heard of new teachers in the Emirates having to provide a certified copy of their birth certificate. I don't know if that was employer specific or part of the 'new rules.'

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When we came last year, the only birth certificates we had to provide (and have attested) were for the children. At that time, it wasn't for adults.
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cassava



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your place of birth is irrelevant and should not even be raised during an interview. What counts is your qualification in the subject your ability to teach it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Just a note... this current academic year I heard of new teachers in the Emirates having to provide a certified copy of their birth certificate. I don't know if that was employer specific or part of the 'new rules.'

Strange to quote myself, but this is not a matter of opinion. I just want to add that this was for American native speakers, born in the USA, for a major tertiary institution in Abu Dhabi.

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Iamherebecause



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you do have to get your birth certificate attested (and I haven't heard of this) that's an administrative procedure you would have to fulfil after interview in order to take up a job offer.

In the UAE reputable employers such as UAEU, HCT etc are interested in your skills as a teacher and if your qualifications and language skills are good enough at interview hey will take you whether you are a native speaker or not. All the annoying paperwork comes later. You can presumably get rejected at that stage if you don't have the qualifications you say you have, but not, I think, for being born outside an English speaking country.
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smedini



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it possibility matter where the OP was born? I'm thinking more politically than linguistically speaking. I'm assuming if he or she was born in Israel, for example, there may be problems in getting work...? Any other sensitive origins that might pose a problem? Any thoughts?

~smedini
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zeebandre



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was born in Poland.
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