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kidkensei
Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 36
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: Aeon, Amity or Interac ? |
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First off, definitely not trolling. Not really sure what trolling is but I;m pretty sure I'm not doin it. Nope, no trollin goin on in this forum.
My question for you all experienced English Alts and Teachers out there is this,
If you were going to spend your first year as a naive English teacher all over again and you were only given these 3 options, which company would you choose?
Cheers
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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AEON runs Amity, so there are really only 2 options. With not a bad reputation, with apartment rent subsidized (capped), and with lesson plans handed to you, I'd say of the choices you gave, go with AEON.
Need some background on yourself to help choose for you (which I really don't like to do). What are your goals, oh naive first-timer?
And, why have you disregarded the JET programme? |
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kidkensei
Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 36
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Glenski,
Thanks for the advice. I haven't ruled JET out but its just that they don't begin hiring again until august.
My goals like any naive virgin gaijin English teacher is to get rich and have many beautiful japanese girls at my side fanning me down everywhere I go.
On a more serious note, what motivates me to be an english teacher is the responsibility I will have to others who want to learn and pursue their goals. I want to be in the position where I am able to see progress at the individual level and in the class as well. I'm starting to wonder whether a position as an ALT who just takes commands would give me this satisfaction.
A recruiter said to me that because Eikawas are a business there approach to learning is negative. Its all about gain and profits. They made it sound like learning for its own sake is something that only happens in the public school system.
If Eikawas and Eikawa students put more pressure on teachers to help them succeed because its a business venture then why would this be such a bad thing??
What satisfies you as a teacher Glenski?? |
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stillnosheep

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: eslcafe
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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The pressure on eikaiwa teachers is not to help students progress but to increase company profits. This can mean putting students into inappropriate classes because it fits their schedules, teaching mixed ability classes as it is more profitable than splitting the class etc. and holding weekly business meetings with the school management where one is exhorted to recommend that students buy into the current campaign (eg for extra telephone based lessons or whatever), with league tables of schools and teachers posted on the staffroom walls, to encourage diligence in signing students up for this months campaign.
Lessons and materials may be oriented towards giving students the impression of progress (through the practicing of set rote 'conversations) rather than by encouraging any understanding or working knowledge of how English works. I was once told by a trainer that lessons were like baseball pitches, the teacher was the pitcher and the aim was that the student left the class feeling that they had scored a home run. This is superb advice if the object is to maximise student goodfeeling and thus the chance of them signing up for more lessons but is less useful if the object is to help them learn to play at baseball.
On the other hand teaching methods in many parts of the state sector have hardly progressed from the grammar translation method. At least eikaiwa students learn to speak, if only in the context of prescribed 'conversations'.
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kidkensei
Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 36
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent advice stillnosheep.
How do you deal with mixed ability in your classes? Do you divide the class during exercises? Could you use the kids with higher abilities to the advantage of the others?
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Glenski,
Thanks for the advice. I haven't ruled JET out but its just that they don't begin hiring again until august. |
"Begin hiring"??? The applications are due this month or December for August next year, so in effect, they have already begun hiring for 2009-10. If you simply meant that you don't want to wait that long to know about being accepted and coming here, ok, but might as well put your hat in the ring.
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| On a more serious note, what motivates me to be an english teacher is the responsibility I will have to others who want to learn and pursue their goals. I want to be in the position where I am able to see progress at the individual level and in the class as well. I'm starting to wonder whether a position as an ALT who just takes commands would give me this satisfaction. |
Some ALTs don't just take commands from the JTE. As they say in JET, every situation is different. Unfortunately, you can't choose the good situations.
Goals? High school kids have none beyond passing the horrid college entrance exams.
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| A recruiter said to me that because Eikawas are a business there approach to learning is negative. Its all about gain and profits. They made it sound like learning for its own sake is something that only happens in the public school system. |
Learning for its own sake is what happens (if at all) when people voluntarily sign up for classes on their own. That's eikaiwa. I'm not saying all eikaiwa students are motivated to learn. Probably most just want to kill time, socialize (with each other or with a foreigner), etc., but at least there's a better chance, IMO, of self-motivation there.
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| If Eikawas and Eikawa students put more pressure on teachers to help them succeed because its a business venture then why would this be such a bad thing?? |
Aside from the many negative reports on eikaiwa life (and I hope you have understood them), you should read this.
http://www.eltnews.com/features/special/015a.shtml
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| What satisfies you as a teacher Glenski?? |
Many things, but everybody has to start somewhere. I have gone from eikaiwa to PT teaching at a HS to FT teaching (not ALT) at a HS to university job. Too difficult to say because of the variety of the job. |
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degolasse

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 21
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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To answer the original question, if I were to do it all over as a newbie, I would have picked Interac again. I say this solely because I have little interest in teaching at an Eikaiwa, and my job through Interac at a Junior High was thoroughly satisfying. Above Interac though I would have chosen JET, mainly because I would have returned home with a little bit of money for doing the same job.
Yup, Interac has it's downfalls, and like most companies who hire overseas, you'll hear countless complaints about them. Know these and be prepared for them. However, in the end, Interac gave me absolutely everything they promised me during my contract and I had few actual complaints about them.
In my position as an ALT, I took commands from no one. I worked with a Japanese teacher and together we planned lessons and taught the classes. Sometimes I had little to do, sometimes I ran the show. On the students part, there was no learning for the sake of learning. Like someone else said, they memorize to pass the exam. However, if you pay attention, you'll find a few students out there who actually enjoy studying English and want more than just the answers to the test. Of my 400 students, I may have had 30, but my daily conversations with them and the progress I saw in them over a year was enough for my job to be very satisfying. |
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AgentMulderUK

Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 360 Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Just to counter the above post, my experience of that despatch company is that they are mostly a bunch of insidious incompetent liars.
I will not forgive them and continue to go out of my way to warn others of their nature. Others may disagree, but I see no point in pushing young people into something that has resulted in unhappiness on so many occasions on these boards alone.
Do I sound bitter and twisted? Yes with good reason.
As for Aeon, I have yet to read anything really negative about them. Far better organisation, from what friends have told me. |
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