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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Mo 39 wrote:
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I don't have any statistics to offer leslie, but I do feel that it's much more expected here that men will cheat on their spouses and novias than it is in the US. |
Yikes! Expected by who? Certainly not by those of us who are Mexican wives (or girlfriends). Do single foreign women expect a married man to fool around with them? It takes two, after all. I agree with Leslie in her comments. I really don't see it either and I don't lead a sheltered life in a rancho. Commonly foreigners perpetrate these blanket notions that are stuck in their heads about Mexico. This idea cheating is expected or the one that Mexico is just the wild old west with no rules, laws or boundaries are really just folklore. Some of the bragging, though as I said I have never heard it, may be posturing (in defence) for the benefit of foreign males who put out the vibe "I am a great catch for you Mexican ladies since I am much better, smarter, whatever, and I will be faithful, unlike your Mexican men".
After being married into a Mexican family for years, I pretty much have a feel for the family and friends in this complex culture. Of all my husband's friends in various walks of life, only one falls into the extracurricular activity category. His friends don't think he's cool at all. He is in the US working much of the time, sending money home. He was quite upset when he discovered his wife had something going on the side and may have been using some of the money for stepping out on the town. She turned out to be no dummy. This is more typical than foreigners may want to believe when they picture the husband out in the bar or the no-tell motel with the latest sweetie, while the wife sits home cooking and sweeping. Not quite. It seems to me life here is just like anywhere else. Cheaters live all over the world. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Stats would be hard to come by in any country. I'm going on what I've been told by married Mexican men, with far more frequency than back in Canada.
Think about it this way..do we have an expression such as casa chica, casa grande in English? If you haven't heard it, it refers to the married man who maintains both the big house (the first wife and the kids) and the little house, where he keeps his mistress. The same story has been repeated to me often enough that I don't believe these men have simply been telling tall tales. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Up north, I think it's known as alimony and child support and applies to as many woman and children you have left behind, not necessarily restricted to two households. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Samantha wrote: |
Up north, I think it's known as alimony and child support and applies to as many woman and children you have left behind, not necessarily restricted to two households. |
This is not a valid comparison. In the Mexican situation that Guy mentions, the man in question is living with both families at the same time (and often at least one of the women involved is not aware of the other's existence). In the case of alimony (pretty rare these days, at least in the US) and child support being paid, the man in question is living only with the most recent wife, and everyone concerned is aware of the existence of both present and past spouses and their children. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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I guess it's I who has to get out more often, after all. I wasn't aware that "The Mistress" was not alive and well any longer in the good ole USA or Canada or anywhere besides Mexico. Mia Culpa. Seriously you guys.
P.S. I do know a few gringas here who have Mexican "pool boys", and one or two of them are married. But they do pay them, so I guess that�s not a valid comparison either. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:07 am Post subject: |
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No, I wouldn't say the same thing isn't going on everywhere else in the world, to be sure. Caught an article online some time back that demonstrated through genetic testing that a full third of Irish children were not fathered by the guy that thought he had. So, the ladies are just as guilty as the guys...they just don't yak about it.
For me, it's more about the ease with which Mexican men will talk about cheating. Could be Canadian guys are just as bad, but I have no Canadian male friend who would dare brag about it.
One Mexico City accountant I had as a student several years back was telling me all about his wife and his mistress, both maintained in different houses. He then produced a set of architectural plans for the house he was having built in Puebla for yet another mistress he was maintaining there, proudly taking me through the drafts. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: |
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That's interesting about Ireland. Could green beer have anything to do with that?
Maybe that Mexico City accountant knows those politicians in the USA who recently had to fess up publicly about their extra curricular women, embarrassing their wives who probably put them through law school. Much more attention-grabbing than bragging to friends....Go large or stay home I always say!  |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Guy Courchesne wrote: |
No, I wouldn't say the same thing isn't going on everywhere else in the world, to be sure.
For me, it's more about the ease with which Mexican men will talk about cheating. Could be Canadian guys are just as bad, but I have no Canadian male friend who would dare brag about it.
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I think that Guy has hit the nail on the head: it's the ease (and seeming lack of guilt) with which some (not all, Samantha) Mexican men talk about their extra-marital activities. It's as though this is something they're entitled to just because of who and what they are. An older Mexican man explained it to me this way: he told me that in general his male compatriots are terrified of losing their freedom, so either they don't fall into a lasting relationship with a woman, or, if they do, they continue to act out their need for "freedom" by shacking up with other women. Of course, in the end this leaves them with even less freedom and more responsibilities, but who has ever said that human behavior is rational?  |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: |
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I politely disagree. That would be generalizing and stereotyping. Insecure men (and women) everywhere, including gringos, brag about their conquests and their perceived "attributes" simply out of the need for attention, and to convince you what a hot catch they are. It doesn't mean it's TRUE, for it's usually not. Good grief. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Yes, Samantha, I guess we'll both have to politely agree to disagree on this one. We're coming at this question from different experiences, so naturally we're going to have different answers to the OP's initial questions about what it's like to date Mexican men. I congratulate you on having found a great guy to marry and make a life with!  |
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MikeySaid

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 509 Location: Torreon, Mexico
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:01 am Post subject: |
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I think the issue of infidelity in Mexico vs. Canada and the US boils down to cultural expectations and acceptance.
Gender (besides the biology of it) is essentially a social construct and every society has differing opinions on what it means to be a man or a woman. While I don't have the time or the patience to dig up statistics verifying my assumptions, I am confident that Mexican society looks at unfaithful men with less disdain than American culture does at the same men. Why? I'm not going to get into it without asking my wife the anthropologist first.
However, I have noticed that in middle-class and upper-class Mexico, divorced people are viewed in a much more negative light than divorced people on the other side of the Rio Bravo. Perhaps greater acceptance of male infidelity in Mexico comes from a longstanding relationship with the Vatican and its disapproval of divorce--leading women stuck having to tolerate their husbands' fooling ways. Economics and social class surely play a part as well because many (most) married women here in Mexico rely on their husbands' income to maintain their lifestyles, and even those who earn well on their own would likely be putting their social standing at risk by publicly admitting the failure of their marriage and ending the relationship. |
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El Gallo

Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Posts: 318
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Mexican men cheat on their wives no more than men anywhere else - they are just more open about it. |
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El Gallo

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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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With the heterosexual spread of AIDS and other STD's, an interesting twist on this conversation is how Mexican men define homosexuality. My gay friend tells me that many Mexican men don't regard being "activo" in a gay relationship as being gay, while if a man is "passivo", he is scorned by society and the very "activo" men that have their way with him. Part of cheating on the wife with this attitude is maybe a young male "amante" on the side.
In Anglo cultures both the active and passive member of a gay relationship are considered gay. Is the definition different in Latin cultures or just another stereotype? |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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El Gallo wrote: |
In Anglo cultures both the active and passive member of a gay relationship are considered gay. Is the definition different in Latin cultures or just another stereotype? |
From what I've read and heard, the definition of who is gay is different in Latin cultures, just as you've described it. I believe this is also true among African-American communities in the States. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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El Gallo wrote: |
Mexican men cheat on their wives no more than men anywhere else - they are just more open about it. |
And more shameless about it too! |
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