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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tefl2010 wrote:
In Saudi Arabia you need an Exit Visa, you cannot just leave if you do not like your workplace.

And therein lies the reason that one better make darn sure you know if you are stepping into a snakepit...

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Afra



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to use two passports in any county is likely to get you into trouble.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't try the second passport thing. It would have worked a few years ago, but things have changed. Now they will have your fingerprints and your retinal scan on file. You could end up in jail. Shocked Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would NOT have worked a few years ago

Even when I first came here in 1970, there was a system of entry stamps, Iqamas and exit visas. Having a second passport which had no KSA entry stamp would not help you to get out, then or now.

If you think you won't like it here - do not come. Easy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone

I am rethinking KSA. Its kinda scary that you can only leave with your employers permission.

I guess its a gamble..if you get a bad employer you could be really bleeped. Is bell really that bad, that they won't allow you to leave?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its kinda scary that you can only leave with your employers permission.


I agree it's scary in theory, but I've rarely known it to be a genuine problem in practice.

Most employers give multiple entry-reexit visa (ask before accepting a job). In this case, you only need to apply for the visa twice a year. If you wanted to 'do a runner', even if your employer holds your passport, you could say you wanted to go to Bahrain for the weekend and they will give you your passport. You could then go wherever you want (you don't need an employer's permission to get an air ticket). I think KSU do give multiple visas but I can't confirm that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the school or the recruiter your sponser? If I get a job with bell, are they my sponser, or KSU?

I can deal with alot of stuff if the money is good, but if the housing is bad, for me, that would make the situation intolerable.

Does anyone happen to know how many ppl (women) share an apt?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanna_teach wrote:
Thanks everyone

I am rethinking KSA. Its kinda scary that you can only leave with your employers permission.

Ah! The Wall Effect...good ol' Wall Effect...eventually things sink in. Get those dollar signs outta yer eyes, girl, so you can really start reading the posts! Rolling Eyes

I guess its a gamble..if you get a bad employer you could be really bleeped. Is bell really that bad, that they won't allow you to leave?

Naw, they're there for YOUR benefit!



NCTBA
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear wanna_teach,
Well, as Cleopatra posted, it's not exactly the Hotel California, where "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave."
In all my time there (nineteen years total), I never heard of anyone having a problem in that regard (although I did know a very few who used the "Bahrain trip" thing to do a runner.)
Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
wanna_teach wrote:
Thanks everyone

I am rethinking KSA. Its kinda scary that you can only leave with your employers permission.

Ah! The Wall Effect...good ol' Wall Effect...eventually things sink in. Get those dollar signs outta yer eyes, girl, so you can really start reading the posts! Rolling Eyes



ok..I admit there are some $ signs in my eyes. But I also want to teach adults and in Asia its mostly kids. I would love to teach in Europe, but you can barely live off of what they pay and its competitive.
But if the pay is high enough I may be able to look over a few things, just not the "you can't leave.. mwahahaha"
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, and Oman, you can leave when you wish without an exit visa. Try those places if you have doubts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that Qatar requires exit visas. And in Kuwait, KU required exit visas when I was there and someone said that they still do (though it was someone that I didn't know). But, you do keep your passports.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand corrected.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qatar requires an exit visa. In all the years I have been in KSA I have never seen anyone who experoenced real problems in leaving when they wanted to.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, we have had tales of woe here over the years. Perhaps one or two a year of people not being able to leave for family emergencies... or having to pay their employer ridiculously large bribes to provide the exit visa and passport.

So, I wouldn't say that it doesn't happen, but it isn't common.

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