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tambok17
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SDT seems to pay a bit more from my experience at least for long term contracts. Short STA contracts that go on for a couple of months are some 20K a month. But long ones by SDT pay the same as STA's plus they seem to give you tickets. Correct me if I am wrong.
As far as them treating teachers as worthless, well, if people with non ESL degrees are routinely hired a well as people without any degrees are hired, how else can they be treated? As worthy? |
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Marquess
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| The dross they get deserve to be treated the way they are but sadly decent people get the same treatment. |
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The dross they get deserve to be treated the way they are but sadly decent people get the same treatment. |
First of all, the "dross" that you refer to are human beings. No one "deserves" to be treated poorly.
Secondly, the COMPANIES (BAE, STA, SDT) need to be held accountable for hiring less-than-qualified personnel. The undesirable consequences of mixing qualified with unqualified personnel are ultimately the responsibility of the companies. |
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tambok17
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Yup! You want to know what real S&M is? Try being an MA in Applied Linguistics holder, a University instructor with 30 years of experience, bossed around by a CELTA/DELTA sergeant/petty officer who does not even know proper English.
Those amongst you who are dross, though- you have hit pay dirt and will have a field day at STA/SDT! Go ahead and apply now! |
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tambok17
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Middle East Beast wrote: |
| Marquess wrote: |
| The dross they get deserve to be treated the way they are but sadly decent people get the same treatment. |
First of all, the "dross" that you refer to are human beings. No one "deserves" to be treated poorly.
Secondly, the COMPANIES (BAE, STA, SDT) need to be held accountable for hiring less-than-qualified personnel. The undesirable consequences of mixing qualified with unqualified personnel are ultimately the responsibility of the companies. |
How are you going to hold them accountable?
Can someone please explain to me, though, how I can become less qualified so that I could enjoy STA/SDt salaries and promotions? Whose rear will I need to kiss, where and when? |
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Marquess
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| tambok17 wrote: |
| Yup! You want to know what real S&M is? Try being an MA in Applied Linguistics holder, a University instructor with 30 years of experience, bossed around by a CELTA/DELTA sergeant/petty officer who does not even know proper |
Where did it all go wrong? 30 years teaching in a university and then you have to work for sdt/sta.
I know of an old boy with a PHD in Bantu and in his sixties who works for sdt/sta-no wonder he is so bitter-working with the dross. |
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tambok17
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Marquess wrote: |
| tambok17 wrote: |
| Yup! You want to know what real S&M is? Try being an MA in Applied Linguistics holder, a University instructor with 30 years of experience, bossed around by a CELTA/DELTA sergeant/petty officer who does not even know proper |
Where did it all go wrong? 30 years teaching in a university and then you have to work for sdt/sta.
I know of an old boy with a PHD in Bantu and in his sixties who works for sdt/sta-no wonder he is so bitter-working with the dross. |
I am exaggerating for emphasis. The lesson is- take jobs with slightly smaller salaries but keep your dignity. 3-4k extra per month is just not worth it. |
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mrweber
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: STA/STD |
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Hi folks
I thought I would contribute my two cents worth to the sta/std thread. I just finished a one year contract with a six month extension. well finished at the end of 2009 to be honest. At the moment I'm kicking it in South America that is why it has taken me so long to post. Needed to detox. Now, I have ready to give the scope and nothing but the G honest scope about sta/sdt so to speak. I have worked in the gulf for over ten years so believe me if you like or not I don't care.
First there is a rumor that STA doesn't hire Americans well since my passport is from America that is false. really gentlemen STA is a recruiter. They make money putting bodies in a contract.
Second, Some people have made a comment about the STA representative being unprofessional. Well , people grow up. I found him and his staff in Dubai to be one of the most professional organizations I have dealt with in the gulf. Yes, there were some problems running the show from Dubai Which is why he left his family there and moved to the KSA. His accountant was just great. I didn't have to worry about being paid on time well Saudi time and she even routed a months pay into another account for me.
As far as SDT was concerned I found the British management to be rather a jolly good lot. I would work with them again if given the chance. well outside the KSA ok ok 6 years is enough to spend in any country.
As far as this I have a Masters and you only have a high school diploma or D levels or is it A levels heck you get my drift, so what. I met some real characters working there and my life is richer because of it.
Saudi managers. well what can you say. They are in a tough position. Having to deal with students and a foreign staff.
Ladys and Gentlemen my parting words of wisdom. Dudes relax enjoy your time in the kingdom and all the wacky experiences you will have and save save and save your dough.then piss of. I for one am laughing my way to the bank. oh yes my next post will be teaching only women oh yeah.
Cheers |
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Vancouver Girl
Joined: 01 May 2010
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Gosh, Tambok...does this all bring back ME memories!
Interesting that you contrast TEFLERS from the Emirates and Saudi. I worked..albeit briefly...for a language institute in Abu Dhabi (now mercifully expunged from the face of the earth) where the situation among the staff was exactly as you describe. A seemingly endless processional of pettiness, spite, back-biting, lying, snitching and caustic remarks/jokes based on one's national origin (the last being chiefly the domain of a certain vituperative Melbournian). I found this confusing. We were, after all, just a bunch of English teachers making $45, 000 a year plus benefits. Not some high-flying corporate lawyers in the City of London or Wall Street where such behaviour would have been understandable, if nothing else.
One point of disagreement, however. I have worked with MA's and even Ph'd's in Applied Lingusitics etc...who could not teach their way out of a paperbag..or, indeed, manage a language school (see above). I have also taught with some Texas cowboy-types without an ESL degree who had the class in the palm of their hand and a very high student pass rate.
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