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moonshine
Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 60
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: San Francisco Bay area - where are the ESL jobs? |
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I've been here 3 months now and have applied to numerous tutor ads on Craig's List - most to no avail - the only nibbles have been science-related as my degree is a B.S. - but I'm beginning to wonder if something about my most recent experience teaching ESL in K (since 2003) is hurting me?
am I just being paranoid?
I thought it'd be a snap to find some tutoring gigs here - I'm working on my MFA, and have said so on my resume.
so what's up? I know the market it tight but this seems very odd - the gigs are posted regularly on Craig's so they're out there -
any suggestions? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Dear moonshine,
I hear the UNIVERSITY OF BUEA, South West Region, Republic of Cameroon
is looking for a few good people. You MUST BE a man or a woman, but I assume you'd qualify.
Why don't you send off your CV?
Regards,
John  |
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moonshine
Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 60
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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ok, now it's official, you must simply be a TROLL |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Dear moonshine,
Darn, you figured it out. Yup, I'm a TROLL, and it took 5,496 posts before someone bright enough figured it out.
Congratulation on your perspicacity.
Regards,
John  |
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anyway
Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 109
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I've seen several ads on 'spokenskills' in the last few months... |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: San Francisco Bay area - where are the ESL jobs? |
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moonshine wrote: |
I've been here 3 months now and have applied to numerous tutor ads on Craig's List - most to no avail - the only nibbles have been science-related as my degree is a B.S. - but I'm beginning to wonder if something about my most recent experience teaching ESL in K (since 2003) is hurting me?
am I just being paranoid?
I thought it'd be a snap to find some tutoring gigs here - I'm working on my MFA, and have said so on my resume.
so what's up? I know the market it tight but this seems very odd - the gigs are posted regularly on Craig's so they're out there -
any suggestions? |
So you have a science-related Bachelor of Science degree and you've been teaching ESL in Korea since 2003.
Why on Earth would you assume there are ESL jobs in the Thanfranthithco Bay area?
Go get a master's in TESL or applied linguistics and try to get into one of the relatively small number of university ESL jobs. You said you're already teaching "ESL in K" (don't expect to be taken seriously if you can't be bothered to spell things out) so don't you already have a teaching job? Why do you now want to get into tutoring (not that there are generally a lot of people wanting an ESL tutor, many of them just go sign up for real ESL classes)?
I know that Claremont isn't in the San Francisco area but Oxford Seminars is looking for instructors (http://tesljobs.com/viewjob.php?id_job=12461).
St. Giles in San Francisco has a posting for a CELTA trainer (http://tesljobs.com/viewjob.php?id_job=2331).
Then there's University of San Francisco (http://sanfrancisco.universitytutor.com/English%20%28ESL%29).
Here's a private firm that might be hiring (http://www.mcelroytutoring.com/tutors.php?subject=239).
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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most recent experience teaching ESL in K (since 2003) is hurting me?
It's true that teaching ESL in Korea isn't always a huge plus when seeking jobs in North America. The expectations of students, and accepted classroom methodology and approaches can be very different from what's expected in western classrooms. Further, your experience teaching monolingual classes will be very different from the multilingual classes found when teaching ESL as versus EFL.
You may want to check with the funded classes for immigrants in the area. Students are very often offered free/extremely cheap language training, assuming that they qualify for immigrant status. This is seriousl competition for teachers who actually need to make money....
The ESL 'tourist' (private language school) business is down, primarily due to the economic crisis.
Jobs are just tight everywhere.
Good luck. |
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moonshine
Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 60
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:48 am Post subject: Re: San Francisco Bay area - where are the ESL jobs? |
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Chancellor wrote: |
moonshine wrote: |
I've been here 3 months now and have applied to numerous tutor ads on Craig's List - most to no avail - the only nibbles have been science-related as my degree is a B.S. - but I'm beginning to wonder if something about my most recent experience teaching ESL in K (since 2003) is hurting me?
am I just being paranoid?
I thought it'd be a snap to find some tutoring gigs here - I'm working on my MFA, and have said so on my resume.
so what's up? I know the market it tight but this seems very odd - the gigs are posted regularly on Craig's so they're out there -
any suggestions? |
So you have a science-related Bachelor of Science degree and you've been teaching ESL in Korea since 2003.
Why on Earth would you assume there are ESL jobs in the Thanfranthithco Bay area?
Go get a master's in TESL or applied linguistics and try to get into one of the relatively small number of university ESL jobs. You said you're already teaching "ESL in K" (don't expect to be taken seriously if you can't be bothered to spell things out) so don't you already have a teaching job? Why do you now want to get into tutoring (not that there are generally a lot of people wanting an ESL tutor, many of them just go sign up for real ESL classes)?
I know that Claremont isn't in the San Francisco area but Oxford Seminars is looking for instructors (http://tesljobs.com/viewjob.php?id_job=12461).
St. Giles in San Francisco has a posting for a CELTA trainer (http://tesljobs.com/viewjob.php?id_job=2331).
Then there's University of San Francisco (http://sanfrancisco.universitytutor.com/English%20%28ESL%29).
Here's a private firm that might be hiring (http://www.mcelroytutoring.com/tutors.php?subject=239). |
you gave several possible links yet the tone of your writing was nothing less than caustic - I'm not sure I understand why - further, you obviously didn't appear to read my post clearly since I said I'm here in the Bay area and working on an MFA - why would I leave that and go get a TESL masters?
anyway I do appreciate the info - |
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moonshine
Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 60
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:50 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
most recent experience teaching ESL in K (since 2003) is hurting me?
It's true that teaching ESL in Korea isn't always a huge plus when seeking jobs in North America. The expectations of students, and accepted classroom methodology and approaches can be very different from what's expected in western classrooms. Further, your experience teaching monolingual classes will be very different from the multilingual classes found when teaching ESL as versus EFL.
You may want to check with the funded classes for immigrants in the area. Students are very often offered free/extremely cheap language training, assuming that they qualify for immigrant status. This is seriousl competition for teachers who actually need to make money....
The ESL 'tourist' (private language school) business is down, primarily due to the economic crisis.
Jobs are just tight everywhere.
Good luck. |
yes, jobs are tight everywhere - I will check on the classes you mention - thanks for the encouragement
cheers! |
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moonshine
Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 60
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:52 am Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Dear moonshine,
Darn, you figured it out. Yup, I'm a TROLL, and it took 5,496 posts before someone bright enough figured it out.
Congratulation on your perspicacity.
Regards,
John  |
ok, I know I'm at risk for feeding the T -
John, maybe you might want to think about what +5000 posts translates to - ?
I mean, seriously, dude, you are spending WAY too much time on here - !! |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:33 am Post subject: |
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From my lowly position at under 4,000 (in my current incarnation as spiral78 - I had an earlier stint under my real name), I can say that many of us have been around for years....my first actual Dave's post was in 1998, for example.
John's a god  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Dear moonshine.
" I mean, seriously, dude, you are spending WAY too much time on here - !!"
My wife would definitely agree
But look at it this way - I've been on Dace's for about a dozen years. That works out to about 460 posts a year, only around 1.3 posts a day.
It doesn't sound quite so bad that way.
Once upon a time, I was a Mod on here, but no longer. I mean, long hours, no pay, no R-E-S-P-E-C-T (Hmm, sounds kind of like being an ESL/EFL teacher, doesn't it?)
I enjoy answering questions, trying to provide accurate information to others (Hmm, sounds kind of like being an EFL/ESL teacher, doesn't it?), bantering with old on-line friends, being accused of being a troll .
As I tell my wife, it beats hanging out in neighborhood bars or visiting chat rooms, exchanging messages with law officers pretending to be teen-age nymphets.
So yup, I probably do spend too much time on here - but I can easily think of worse ways to occupy my hours.
Dear sprial78,
A god?? Hardly - although I wouldn't argue with "demigod." But being called a "god" makes me uneasily recall what Emperor Vespasian allegedly remarked when on his deathbed (or rather on his "death toilet" since that's where he reportedly expired - rather like that other King, Elvis.)
"Vae, puto, deus fio,"
"Oh dear, I suppose I'm turning into a god."
Regards,
John the Demigod |
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spiral78

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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Funny. I was recently referred to on one of the European forums as a king on a throne, and I had to point out that the gilt on that throne has revealed itself to be porcelain at heart, and that I'm in danger of falling in. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: San Francisco Bay area - where are the ESL jobs? |
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moonshine wrote: |
Chancellor wrote: |
moonshine wrote: |
I've been here 3 months now and have applied to numerous tutor ads on Craig's List - most to no avail - the only nibbles have been science-related as my degree is a B.S. - but I'm beginning to wonder if something about my most recent experience teaching ESL in K (since 2003) is hurting me?
am I just being paranoid?
I thought it'd be a snap to find some tutoring gigs here - I'm working on my MFA, and have said so on my resume.
so what's up? I know the market it tight but this seems very odd - the gigs are posted regularly on Craig's so they're out there -
any suggestions? |
So you have a science-related Bachelor of Science degree and you've been teaching ESL in Korea since 2003.
Why on Earth would you assume there are ESL jobs in the Thanfranthithco Bay area?
Go get a master's in TESL or applied linguistics and try to get into one of the relatively small number of university ESL jobs. You said you're already teaching "ESL in K" (don't expect to be taken seriously if you can't be bothered to spell things out) so don't you already have a teaching job? Why do you now want to get into tutoring (not that there are generally a lot of people wanting an ESL tutor, many of them just go sign up for real ESL classes)?
I know that Claremont isn't in the San Francisco area but Oxford Seminars is looking for instructors (http://tesljobs.com/viewjob.php?id_job=12461).
St. Giles in San Francisco has a posting for a CELTA trainer (http://tesljobs.com/viewjob.php?id_job=2331).
Then there's University of San Francisco (http://sanfrancisco.universitytutor.com/English%20%28ESL%29).
Here's a private firm that might be hiring (http://www.mcelroytutoring.com/tutors.php?subject=239). |
you gave several possible links yet the tone of your writing was nothing less than caustic - I'm not sure I understand why - further, you obviously didn't appear to read my post clearly since I said I'm here in the Bay area and working on an MFA - why would I leave that and go get a TESL masters?
anyway I do appreciate the info - |
Yes, I read every word of your post - I just didn't read into it. No, you didn't say (write, post) that you were in the Bay area working on an MFA. You said you were an unspecified "here" and that you had "recent experience teaching ESL in K (since 2003)" (emphasis mine). Notice the parenthetical "since 2003," which suggests it's ongoing. The only place the Bay area is mentioned is in the title of your thread. Don't expect people to assume that "here" refers back to something in the title of your thread. Thread titles are not always directly referrable to the content of the original post.
Anyway, I can't imagine why anyone would think there is this huge demand for ESL tutors. Even on college campuses that have a lot of international students they're likely to be few and far between.
And, yes, as a former Californicator who lived in San Francisco for five months out of the nine years I lived in California, I was making fun of San Francisco.
Does your previous experience teaching in Korea hurt you? I guess that depends on the potential employer. It's possible that when many of them read that part of your resume that they immediately think of the stereotypical ESL backpacker - the person who threw on his backpack and paid to travel around the world by teaching ESL in little fly-by-night language schools. They might be thinking that you've been wasting your life since 2003 instead of working in a "real" job. More knowledgeable employers are less likely to have that attitude but, frankly, teaching overseas (unless you were a college professor) doesn't tend to mean much here in the States. |
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