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mat chen



Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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Location: xiangtan hunan

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:59 am    Post subject: xiangtan university Reply with quote

The best place to work in China. Long term contracts where over 20 foreign teachers have been here for as long as the school has been in existance. You recieve your pay on exactly on the same day every month with written records. There are no hidden expences that you will be expected to pay at the end of your contract. You will be supplied with a curriculum and the classes are located within a short walking distance. Recruiters are paid and you will not have to lie to them about not signing a contract with the school. The FAO Mr Huang is a man of integretity, who will do everything he can to make your stay here a joyous one. And if you believe this I have some property in South Florida you might be interested in purchasing.
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:43 pm    Post subject: Your point being...? Reply with quote

Your point being...?
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mat chen



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point being that Mr Hong or Huang ( Mr.Yellow) is one the hardest working benevolent FAOs in China. Because of this it is very hard to get a job here. Only 19 foreign teachers came here this term to replace the 19 leaving last term. Everyone including students studying Chinese loves the care he has provided.
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Chris_Crossley



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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: A good FAO but a very high FT turnover rate? Hmm... Reply with quote

mat chen wrote:
My point being that Mr Hong or Huang ( Mr.Yellow) is one the hardest working benevolent FAOs in China. Because of this it is very hard to get a job here. Only 19 foreign teachers came here this term to replace the 19 leaving last term. Everyone including students studying Chinese loves the care he has provided.


"Only 19"?! Out of how many in total?

Your statement appears to sound a note of contradiction here, if I may say so. On the one hand, you are claiming (and I am not remotely disputing this claim) that the FAO behaves in such a way as to deserve your praise, yet, on the other hand, you indicate that there has apparently been a fairly high (almost 100%?) foreign teaching staff turnover rate from one term to the next!

You mention in your original post that there were "over 20" FTs at the place you work at, but "over 20" can imply that the number of FTs may be as low as 21. Without an exact or even approximate figure, it is hard to tell why it is that, despite the benevolence of this FAO, 19 out of at least 21 FTs needed to be replaced!

After all, what could the management have possibly made of an FAO who, despite his alleged benevolence, would have had to give them the bad news that 19 (!) FTs were leaving all at the same time? Did somebody do something to upset them, or what?

In my experience, such an extraordinarily high staff turnover usually indicates that something must have upset them or else prompted them to decide to leave!

Can you imagine the reactions of management at any educational institution back home, never mind in a foreign country, at the news that 19 teachers were going to leave at the same time? People would say that something must have gone horribly wrong!
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Chris. Um, if you re-read Mat's first post, I think you might notice a little line about property in South Florida. I think Mat included that not because he truly holds a deed to salable land/housing in the Sunshine State, but in order to alert us all that he was being sarcastic. As in, all that we read in his post, we should assume is opposite the truth.
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Property in South Florida Reply with quote

Actually, I did notice the line about the property in South Florida, but who knows if all the 19 ex-teachers have properties there? Wink

Seriously, though, it's clear that there is a problem with high FT turnover that mat chen is highlighting, and one wonders what, if anything, has happened to this thoroughly "benevolent" FAO!

What with this country being China, though, there may be an element of guanxi that could have saved this FAO from being given the opportunity not only of purchasing property in South Florida himself, but even of going there permanently! Then, again, it is likely that property in the easternmost part of Siberia would be far cheaper, especially if built on the site of a former gulag! Russian visas are probably far cheaper, too! Laughing

If Members of the UK Parliament screw things up, though, they still more or less manage to keep hold of their �1,000,000+ second homes in central London; if, on the other hand, Chinese FAOs screw things up to such an extent that 19 FTs feel compelled to quit or else not renew their contacts, they may still be lucky enough to keep their little room on campus!
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LoPresto



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I think "mat chen" is a spy.

Why? Because over the past few years here in China, no one has ever asked me about Human Rights, especially in university classes.

Don't give him/her your time.

Perhaps he was one of the "trainees"?
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Chris_Crossley



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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Dissatified customers can rant or be sarcastic Reply with quote

LoPresto wrote:
Personally, I think "mat chen" is a spy. Don't give him/her your time. Perhaps he was one of the "trainees"?


Who knows?

The fact is that stories about dissatisfied FTs wanting to up sticks and walk out are, sadly, not uncommon in China (as well as in other countries, I strongly suspect), except that, whereas mat chen chooses to use sarcasm as a tool to air his views, others are less charitable and launch no-holds-barred plain-language attacks against those they believe have done them and/or others wrong.

There appears to have been no shortage of such posters on this forum over the years that it has been operating.
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LoPresto



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess a good question now is - Why are you back?

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=486380&highlight=#486380

2006.

Beyond that - please come up with your own material, others.

The Jack has balls and he isn't the King. Why?


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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject: Back - or never gone away? Reply with quote

I see that mat chen's location is currently given as (still) being in Xiangtan, that's true, but perhaps it's not a question of his being "back" - maybe he's never left!

Mind you, if I were him, I'd head back to my pad in South Florida! Very Happy
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LoPresto



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once lived in Chengdu for 16 days, perhaps I'll list that as my location as well as make comments about affairs in Korea.

In the end, it really doesn't matter.
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject: I came back earlier, actually! Reply with quote

LoPresto wrote:
I guess a good question now is - Why are you back?

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=486380&highlight=#486380

2006.


When I posted my last message, the aforecited link had not been included - it must have been added just minutes later while I was busy composing my response!

So, it's about why I am "back"? LoPresto, I have to tell you that I came "back" to China as far back as December '03 after spending eight weeks as an unemployed man in England following my return there after two years in Wuhan in October '03. Hence, I came back to escape the possibility of yet another long period of unemployment - plus there was the fact that my Chinese wife, who was still in Wuhan at the time, was pregnant with our first child.

The link you gave above was related to my studies for my master's degrees, yet I did these by online and distance learning from January '06 to December '08 when I was still in Wuhan! At my time of life, I simply could not afford, either from the point of view of time or money, to do a master's degree on a full-time basis, nor was it necessary for me to do so.
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LoPresto



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You misunderstood my quote. I meant - why haven't you posted on Dave's in 3 years?

As for your child - I vividly recall seeing pictures of her on this website after 2003. I'm not a math major, but 2003 + 3 = 2006. It is now 2009. What happened to the past 3 years? According to my math, your daughter is 6 now.

Yunqi
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Chris_Crossley



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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Absence makes the heart grow fonder Reply with quote

Aha! You spotted it! Guilty as charged!

Well, to be honest, by December '06, I had felt that I had said everything that I could possibly say on the EFL front because my job at the time (which I am still doing, by the way) involves teaching English for Academic Purposes at a specialist training centre rather than, say, at a run-of-the-mill state university with 100+ bored students seated in a room, and so I decided to "retire".

In any case, between January '06 and December '08, I did have my master's degree study to occupy my spare time, so I concentrated on that!

Now, curiously, I find myself eager to "come out of retirement" and once more make contributions to these forums, notwithstanding the total lack of change in rank or function in the last three years in my line of work - not that I am complaining, though.

They say that absence makes the heart grow fonder and I find that making further contributions still interests me! Having said that, I am now preparing for my wife to give birth to our second child within the next few weeks so I am guessing that I will be fully preoccupied with "other things" once more! How time flies!
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: My daughter Reply with quote

LoPresto wrote:
As for your child - I vividly recall seeing pictures of her on this website after 2003. I'm not a math major, but 2003 + 3 = 2006. It is now 2009. What happened to the past 3 years? According to my math, your daughter is 6 now.


Well, she is five years and (very nearly) seven months, to be exact! Very Happy
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