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mat chen
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Posts: 494
Location: xiangtan hunan
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 Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: xiangtan university |
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| The best place to work in China. Long term contracts where over 20 foreign teachers have been here for as long as the school has been in existance. You recieve your pay on exactly on the same day every month with written records. There are no hidden expences that you will be expected to pay at the end of your contract. You will be supplied with a curriculum and the classes are located within a short walking distance. Recruiters are paid and you will not have to lie to them about not signing a contract with the school. The FAO Mr Huang is a man of integretity, who will do everything he can to make your stay here a joyous one. And if you believe this I have some property in South Florida you might be interested in purchasing. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 1797
Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: Your point being...? |
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mat chen
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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Location: xiangtan hunan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| My point being that Mr Hong or Huang ( Mr.Yellow) is one the hardest working benevolent FAOs in China. Because of this it is very hard to get a job here. Only 19 foreign teachers came here this term to replace the 19 leaving last term. Everyone including students studying Chinese loves the care he has provided. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 1797
Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: A good FAO but a very high FT turnover rate? Hmm... |
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| mat chen wrote: |
| My point being that Mr Hong or Huang ( Mr.Yellow) is one the hardest working benevolent FAOs in China. Because of this it is very hard to get a job here. Only 19 foreign teachers came here this term to replace the 19 leaving last term. Everyone including students studying Chinese loves the care he has provided. |
"Only 19"?! Out of how many in total?
Your statement appears to sound a note of contradiction here, if I may say so. On the one hand, you are claiming (and I am not remotely disputing this claim) that the FAO behaves in such a way as to deserve your praise, yet, on the other hand, you indicate that there has apparently been a fairly high (almost 100%?) foreign teaching staff turnover rate from one term to the next!
You mention in your original post that there were "over 20" FTs at the place you work at, but "over 20" can imply that the number of FTs may be as low as 21. Without an exact or even approximate figure, it is hard to tell why it is that, despite the benevolence of this FAO, 19 out of at least 21 FTs needed to be replaced!
After all, what could the management have possibly made of an FAO who, despite his alleged benevolence, would have had to give them the bad news that 19 (!) FTs were leaving all at the same time? Did somebody do something to upset them, or what?
In my experience, such an extraordinarily high staff turnover usually indicates that something must have upset them or else prompted them to decide to leave!
Can you imagine the reactions of management at any educational institution back home, never mind in a foreign country, at the news that 19 teachers were going to leave at the same time? People would say that something must have gone horribly wrong! |
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Zero
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi Chris. Um, if you re-read Mat's first post, I think you might notice a little line about property in South Florida. I think Mat included that not because he truly holds a deed to salable land/housing in the Sunshine State, but in order to alert us all that he was being sarcastic. As in, all that we read in his post, we should assume is opposite the truth. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 1797
Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: Property in South Florida |
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Actually, I did notice the line about the property in South Florida, but who knows if all the 19 ex-teachers have properties there? 
Seriously, though, it's clear that there is a problem with high FT turnover that mat chen is highlighting, and one wonders what, if anything, has happened to this thoroughly "benevolent" FAO!
What with this country being China, though, there may be an element of guanxi that could have saved this FAO from being given the opportunity not only of purchasing property in South Florida himself, but even of going there permanently! Then, again, it is likely that property in the easternmost part of Siberia would be far cheaper, especially if built on the site of a former gulag! Russian visas are probably far cheaper, too! 
If Members of the UK Parliament screw things up, though, they still more or less manage to keep hold of their �1,000,000+ second homes in central London; if, on the other hand, Chinese FAOs screw things up to such an extent that 19 FTs feel compelled to quit or else not renew their contacts, they may still be lucky enough to keep their little room on campus! |
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LoPresto
Joined: 27 Oct 2009
Posts: 87
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I think "mat chen" is a spy.
Why? Because over the past few years here in China, no one has ever asked me about Human Rights, especially in university classes.
Don't give him/her your time.
Perhaps he was one of the "trainees"? |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 1797
Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: Dissatified customers can rant or be sarcastic |
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| LoPresto wrote: |
| Personally, I think "mat chen" is a spy. Don't give him/her your time. Perhaps he was one of the "trainees"? |
Who knows?
The fact is that stories about dissatisfied FTs wanting to up sticks and walk out are, sadly, not uncommon in China (as well as in other countries, I strongly suspect), except that, whereas mat chen chooses to use sarcasm as a tool to air his views, others are less charitable and launch no-holds-barred plain-language attacks against those they believe have done them and/or others wrong.
There appears to have been no shortage of such posters on this forum over the years that it has been operating. |
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LoPresto
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