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macka
Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 45 Location: uk
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: criminal record? |
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hi,
Just wondering what the situation was regarding having a criminal record (petty offences only), and being able to, or not being able to work in Saudi.
Any info appreciated.
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Pikgitina
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 420 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder whether the fact that no one has replied to your post has something to do with the fact that this question has been asked several times this year. Have you tried doing a search? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Dear macka,
A lot could depend on different factors:
What the "petty offenses" were - and how long ago they took place
Where you apply
As is so often the case where the Kingdom is concerned, the only answer that can likely be given to your question as it stands is: It depends.
Sorry,
John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Pikgitina wrote: |
I wonder whether the fact that no one has replied to your post has something to do with the fact that this question has been asked several times this year. Have you tried doing a search? |
Tell me, strange poster, what is this strange "search" action of which you speak???
NCTBA
P.s.- At least the naive poster didn't get into a snit when folk didn't immediately reply to his assistance within 30 minutes! ... ...  |
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BillCowher
Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 131 Location: Up in the air!!!
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject: Is working illegally in KSA a "petty offense" or a |
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I venture to guess that most of the readers here are working illegally on business or government visas. With tongue planted firmly in cheek; I wonder how this offense would be reported if we ever had to obtain a criminal records check from KSA and we told them we needed it because we had taught here for X # of days, months or years on a visa that prohibits us from doing so? |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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"most of the readers are working illegally" ?????? Most of the teachers I know in KSA are on Iqamas. |
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Sheikh N Bake

Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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It seems Americans have an advantage here thanks to the federal system of government. If I were convicted of a misdemeanor--or perhaps even a felony--in East Podunck, New Jersey, that's not within the police or criminal background check jurisdiction of, say, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania--and my Pennsylvania background check would come up clean. Which is acceptable to the Saudis. So far they have not insisted on any FBI check. Local jurisdicational checks are fine. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Dear scot47,
"Most of the teachers I know in KSA are on Iqamas."
From what I've been reading on this forum, this year seems to be the first one that these "other visas" started to be used.
So, assuming that the practice continues, more and more teachers may be coming to Saudi and working "illegally" in the future.
However, working where you do, I very much doubt you'll have much occasion to mingle with them.
Regards,
John |
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eclectic
Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 1122
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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venture to guess that most of the readers here are working illegally |
hey bill, is that a cow for him or for HER?  |
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tacomaboywa

Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 194 Location: The Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Is working illegally in KSA a "petty offense" |
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BillCowher wrote: |
I venture to guess that most of the readers here are working illegally on business or government visas. With tongue planted firmly in cheek; I wonder how this offense would be reported if we ever had to obtain a criminal records check from KSA and we told them we needed it because we had taught here for X # of days, months or years on a visa that prohibits us from doing so? |
I doubt it would be easy to get a criminal check from KSA in the first place.
I don't think that most of the readers here are working illegally on business or government visas. I'm sure its is a mix of both legal and illegal. Perhaps they should answer the POLL question about what visa they are on.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=77203
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BillCowher
Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 131 Location: Up in the air!!!
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:59 am Post subject: Iqama...what is that? |
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johnslat wrote: |
Dear scot47,
"Most of the teachers I know in KSA are on Iqamas."
From what I've been reading on this forum, this year seems to be the first one that these "other visas" started to be used.
So, assuming that the practice continues, more and more teachers may be coming to Saudi and working "illegally" in the future.
However, working where you do, I very much doubt you'll have much occasion to mingle with them.
Regards,
John |
I work at a university in Najran and there are about 40 expat teachers, both men and women, not including the Bangalis, Pakistanis and Indians. Nobody here is on an iqama or proper visa. At my last position I was on a business visa, as were most of the teachers. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Not wise in my humble opinion. What do you do when you want to remit money ?
Interesting that you talk about "expats" as being different from Bengalis, Pakistanis and Indians. Why do you do that ? Are we not all migrant workers ?
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps he just forgot to type "western" expats.
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tacomaboywa

Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 194 Location: The Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Iqama...what is that? |
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BillCowher wrote: |
johnslat wrote: |
Dear scot47,
"Most of the teachers I know in KSA are on Iqamas."
From what I've been reading on this forum, this year seems to be the first one that these "other visas" started to be used.
So, assuming that the practice continues, more and more teachers may be coming to Saudi and working "illegally" in the future.
However, working where you do, I very much doubt you'll have much occasion to mingle with them.
Regards,
John |
I work at a university in Najran and there are about 40 expat teachers, both men and women, not including the Bangalis, Pakistanis and Indians. Nobody here is on an iqama or proper visa. At my last position I was on a business visa, as were most of the teachers. |
It seems that there are a lot of University Programs set up to teach company trainees and as preparatory courses. A large number of these programs use recruiters to obtain teachers. Therefore most of them are there working illegally on Business or Government Visas.
So I'm sure there are many opportunities for the legal teachers to run into the illegal ones. At Jubail Industrial College there are about 20 or so illegals there and they interact with the regular teachers from time to time.
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Dear tacomaboywa,
But I doubt that KFUPM has used or will use recruiters,
Regards,
John |
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