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[JZer]

[yamahuh]

Free housing and return air is great but it doesn't put food in your fridge. I just took a quick look at a couple of job boards - including Dave's - just to make sure I'm not giving shoddy advice (ahem JZ'er) and this is what I found if you eliminate the ones asking for teaching credentials or MA's:

University in Xiangtan, Hunan .. Start Date: March 2010 .. Qualifications: English Native Speakers + BA .. Teaching Hour: 18 classes per week .. Salary: 4,000-4,500RMB/month .. Travel Allowance : 2200 RMB/ year .. Accommodation Provided : Yes

A 10 months contract 6000RMB monthly with 10 positions available in the north and south of China immediately

One Year 25 Hrs./Wk. Salary 6,200 RMB/month Hours/Week 25 Teaching Days/Wk 5 OT 100 RMB/hr for over 25 hours per week Completion Bonus 8,000RMB Medical Insurance Yes Paid Vacation 2 weeks

One Year 20 Hrs/Wk Salary 5,000 RMB/month Hours/Week 20 Teaching Days/Wk 4 OT 100 RMB/hr for over 20 hours per week Completion Bonus 4,000RMB Medical Insurance Yes Paid Vacation 2 weeks

Inner Mongolia - 6,000-8,000RMB + Airfare + Allowance + Low Hours (Start February) The school is a state high school, located in the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region's Capital IHuhhot.
We offer one teaching positions in Inner mongolia, starting February 2010.

Eastern Star Foreign Studies College is looking for highly qualified English teachers for our expanding business.
1. Salary:4500-8500 RMB (dependent on qualification)
2.Housing:Free and Furnished
3.Air Ticket will be reimbursed after completion of contract
a. 6 month contract �C 3000 RMB
b. 12 month contract �C 6000 RMB

I've no idea where JZ'er got the basis for his ludicrous comment but these are jobs available right now that don't require teaching credentails (B.Ed) M.As etc. These are the types of jobs that Rooster will be qualified for and typical wages that he should expect.

[yamahuh]

[JZer]

Actually the most realistic estimate is 14,000. You could easily make 18,000 if you did not need a visa and some people actually do that by making border runs every so many months.

14,000 a month is one university job 12-15 hours a week and 6 hours on Saturday and Sunday.

One could work a university job and possibily work nights but the websites for cities like Hangzhou seem to advertise most for teachers on Saturdays and Sundays.

Anyways, 14,000RMB for 30 hours a week is very reasonable. And yes, there are people working freelance and earning 18,000RMB.

[JZer]

[yamahuh]

The links you sent my by PM are as follows

1:Teaching Position: English Teacher (UK and USA are preferred)
Number of positions: 5
Level of Institution: English School
Time to start: ASAP

The position is with a top quality English School and the conditions are:
10000RMB/ month
20 x 60 minute classes per week
Position Requirements-Minimum of a Bachelor ��?/SPAN>TEFL and 2 years experience

2:Job Description:
Create an english environment on the lesson
Simple communicate with children from 1 to 6 years old and their parents
1-10 hours per week, times may very slightly depending on the rearrangement of the schedule

Qualifications:
Female, 18-40 years old
Native Speaker from Canada, US, UK, Australia, New Zealand
Be interested in kid-teaching field
Salary Scales:
150-200 RMB per hour, It depends on your teaching experience and your teaching competence.

So the first one is 10000 for 20 hours a week and requires B.A, 2 years experience and TEFL, which flies in the face of your statement that anyone can make 10000 isf they want to work more than 12 hours a week.

The second one is for a female - Rooster are you a female between the ages of 18 - 40? Didn't think so.

Where is this mythical job that will pay almost 17000 Rmb for 30 hours JZ'er? Still waiting for you to produce that one - better not hold my breath though eh?

I have issue with the statement you made suggesting that anyone can make 10000 Rmb if they aren't lazy and want to work more than 12 hours a week. Of course jobs exist for more than 6000 Rmb, of course if you want to work weekends you can make more money, but Rooster doesn't. He wants weekends off so he can visit his girlfriend.

My point is that you make it sound like 10000 is a wage that anyone who wants to work more than 12 hours a week can easily acheive and you have provided me with no evidence to support that statement.

[yamahuh]

[yamahuh]

This will be my second last post on the topic.
This is a very large selection of jobs available in China. A few pay more than 10000 but they are usually for certified teachers. Find me a Uni job paying 14000 for a non-licensed teacher JZ'er.

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/China/index.pl

ESL teaching in China Uni info:

http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/university-esl-jobs-questions-you-should-be-asking/

University ESL Teaching: What you should be asking about!
Money
(basic salary, overtime, holiday pay, airfare, travel allowance, completion bonus)
Most unis offer a salary range between 4500-6000RMB depending upon experience, make sure you negotiate your hours and exact pay.


Teaching Conditions
(teaching and office hours, class sizes, courses, resources)
Teaching hours are usually stated, and should range between 12 and 20 hours a week, any more than that and you should be wary.




I wish Rooster all the best and hope he finds a job that satisfies his requirements, whether that be here or in China.

Out.

[Jamer]

[JZer]

[JZer]

[JZer]

[yamahuh]

Actually you didn't say 12 hours of language school work you said:

14,000 a month is one university job 12-15 hours a week and 6 hours on Saturday and Sunday.

That can be interpreted a number of ways; obviously I didn't interpret correctly so perhaps you should learn to write more accurately and explain yourself more precisely.

And now I'll leave you to figure out ways to wriggle out of all your previous statements and assumptions.

Actually I've an idea - go on the China Forum and post a thread asking for responses from teachers on the mainland indicating their average wages and hours per month. Then maybe you'll get off this ludicrous soapbox of yours.

Still waiting for that 30 hour, 17000 Rmb, no teaching creds required link JZ'er - hell I'll go back to the mainland myself for that.

[JZer]

30 hours at 150 an hour would come out to around 17,000RMB a month.

[JZer]