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KSA4Life



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:43 pm    Post subject: Applying Too Early? Reply with quote

Hello,

I am nearing the end of my MEd+TESOL program and have been advised to start applying for jobs in KSA ahead of the upcoming academic year. My concern is that most employers require that you submit a copy of your degree with your application; however, I don't have my degree yet - not for a few months at least. My CV states, "expected graduation date ...".

Do any of you recommend submitting this CV without the degree? Are employers likely to consider someone who is near finishing their degree or more likely to throw out such submissions given that they are incomplete?

Your feedback is appreciated.

KSA4Life
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why...in the Wide, Wide World of Sports...would you want to WASTE a newly-minted M. Ed. in the great (NOT!) sandbox???

One might think that an advanced education might've taught you a thing or two... Unless, that is your M. Ed. is from Bob Jones University...or, possibly, Liberty U!

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desultude



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
Why...in the Wide, Wide World of Sports...would you want to WASTE a newly-minted M. Ed. in the great (NOT!) sandbox???

One might think that an advanced education might've taught you a thing or two... Unless, that is your M. Ed. is from Bob Jones University...or, possibly, Liberty U!

NCTBA


Or some mail order college in Arizona.

The myth seems to still be alive that the best money is to be made in Saudi Arabia. If I were looking for a job in the ME, I would go to the TESOL Arabia conference and see who the players are.

Or go for one of those cush jobs in Korea with 5 month's paid holiday.

KSA? WHY?
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do any of you recommend submitting this CV without the degree? Are employers likely to consider someone who is near finishing their degree or more likely to throw out such submissions given that they are incomplete?


It depends. Some employers wont' consider you unless you have the piece of paper. Others will be more flexible. Bear in mind that by no means all employers in KSA and the Gulf require an MA at all. If you don't have an MA you will, however, need to have a CELTA and good teaching experience to compensate.
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KSA4Life



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCTBA/Desultude - let's just say that I have a special affinity for the sandbox Wink And, no, it's not a crackerjack box degree; it's legit (bonifide anglophone university).

Cleo - thanks! I guess my fear is not being taken seriously when applying if I can't submit the documents with the application. I know that being taken seriously upon touching down in KSA is a whole 'nother issue.
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Asda



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
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Do any of you recommend submitting this CV without the degree? Are employers likely to consider someone who is near finishing their degree or more likely to throw out such submissions given that they are incomplete?


It depends. Some employers wont' consider you unless you have the piece of paper. Others will be more flexible. Bear in mind that by no means all employers in KSA and the Gulf require an MA at all. If you don't have an MA you will, however, need to have a CELTA and good teaching experience to compensate.


Not only that, some may hire you at a lower salary with the "insha Allah (sic), we'll see about a pay rise when you get your certificate...!!".

Yes....and I'll see about entering Wimbledon this year, whooping EVERYBODY!!!
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Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm Asda brings up a good point. So if your degree is completed before your start date, but contract negotiations take place before the degree is completed... do you get hired at the BA rate or the MA rate?

I know someone who graduated in the summer and said they were able to provide a letter from their dept per graduation as they were leaving before their degree came in. Anyone had to do this?
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Asda



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One govt. place that I know, they 'provisionally' hire you based on what you say you have obtained in terms of quals and exp, then om arrival you have to shove all the certificates and letters of experience under their noses as they 'recalculate' where you go on their pay scale.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why...in the Wide, Wide World of Sports...would you want to WASTE a newly-minted M. Ed. in the great (NOT!) sandbox???


Ummm, check out his username Exclamation
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, I saw dat. Jes' hadda question... God Bless and strong winds at the back! Very Happy

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jerboa



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KSA4life,

I got my first job in KSA a few weeks before I finished my MA. I was able to get an official letter from my university stating my completion date. They accepted it without any questions and didn't lower my benefits package.
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