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Seditious
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 Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: New Offer |
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Hello,
Hope you've all had a good day today. This is my first time posting on this forum, though I've been lurking for the better part of 6 months. I am looking for a position in the Middle East to spice up my life a bit. I've visited SA and Egypt for roughly a month each so I am familiar with the people and "customs".
I've been offered a position at a private school in Riyadh to teach Biology. I have a BS, taken and passed the TX Life Science subject area test and two years teaching experience in US public schools (I've started and ran a SAT tutoring business for 4 years with my family but I doubt this experience counts for anything) but do not have a standard teaching certificate. I can't provide professional references as I've lost contact with my old colleagues. I am not Caucasian.
The offer is:
9000 SAR/month
20000 SAR per annum for housing
Medical insurance
One round trip ticket for (2 adults and 2 children) per year
The contract lasts for a three year period.
The next school year begins 18th Sept 2010 and ends June 2011.
When asked if the salary is Negotiable -The salary will be in the range mentioned earlier but it can increase at the end of the year depending on teacher performance.
Your advise would be appreciated. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Well, I'd say with the mounds of experience (One month!) that you have in saudi that makes you familiar with the people, "customs"...and I assume morays, how could any of us give you any useful "advise"!
NCTBA (And, I really kinda mean it this time!) |
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johnslat
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Dear Seditious,
Well, it's a pretty low salary and housing allowance. But with the qualification and experience you mentioned, that may be about as good as it gets.
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John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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John...you...you...troll! 
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scot47
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"I am not Caucasian. "
Jim Crow is alive and well ! |
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lazycomputerkids
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
| ...and I assume morays, |
You rang.*Lurch
Postwise...You seem to be asking two things. Is the offer competitive and what are your chances? Not having a current certification skews the former but it's difficult finding people willing to enter into such a long contract for so little money, relatively, increasing your chances. |
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Seditious
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
Well, I'd say with the mounds of experience (One month!) that you have in saudi that makes you familiar with the people, "customs"...and I assume morays, how could any of us give you any useful "advise"!
NCTBA (And, I really kinda mean it this time!) |
I probably could have worded that a little better. I sought to avoid/minimize the "kingdom of pain" references that would've inevitably make it's way here. I have had many years of dealing with my Middle Eastern brethren and am well versed in their ways (those great, good, idiotic and down right bad). I am not acquainted with the current job climate and the types of offers that are floating around in Saudi Arabia. I'd also appreciate advise on housing and what I can expect to find for 20,000 SAR a year in a good neighborhood ( I am single).
You, however, zeroed in on one aspect of my query. As the title of the thread might indicate, I was looking for advise on the offer vs qualifications or lack thereof. I do thank you in spite of your snappiness... since your posting here my lure the queen and the angry puppy. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well put.
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Seditious
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I've alway found sharing the decision making process with others to be of great help. Thanks for the replies.
I am hoping I can reduce that 3 year contract to two years. I am not comfortable with the idea of staying three years in SA especially not at that salary. I am already half way to getting my standard teaching certificate in TX but jobs are scarce or in very dangerous schools (this tea party/hate mongering nonsense isn't helping either). |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Seditious wrote: |
| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
Well, I'd say with the mounds of experience (One month!) that you have in saudi that makes you familiar with the people, "customs"...and I assume morays, how could any of us give you any useful "advise"!
NCTBA (And, I really kinda mean it this time!) |
I probably could have worded that a little better.
You might have as suggesting one month of saudi exposure gives ANY kind of insight. Actually, it's a bit insulting to those who have slaved away there for years.
I sought to avoid/minimize the "kingdom of pain" references that would've inevitably make it's way here.
It is, my dear, the k.o.p. B.T.W., you owe me 10 halala for using my copyrighted term.
I have had many years of dealing with my Middle Eastern brethren and am well versed in their ways (those great, good, idiotic and down right bad). I am not acquainted with the current job climate and the types of offers that are floating around in Saudi Arabia. I'd also appreciate advise on housing and what I can expect to find for 20,000 SAR a year in a good neighborhood ( I am single).
You, however, zeroed in on one aspect of my query. As the title of the thread might indicate, I was looking for advise on the offer vs qualifications or lack thereof.
Puleez, it's "advice"! "Advise" is the verb! You can NEVER "do" a noun...only a verb!
I do thank you in spite of your snappiness... since your posting here my lure the queen and the angry puppy.
Welcome. I wuz jes' primin' da pump. John always gives good "advise" and he wss spot-on here.
And, my "Well put" wuz meant for lck. But, I must say, you hold yer water well.
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lazycomputerkids
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Seditious wrote: |
I've alway found sharing the decision making process with others to be of great help. Thanks for the replies.
I am hoping I can reduce that 3 year contract to two years. I am not comfortable with the idea of staying three years in SA especially not at that salary. I am already half way to getting my standard teaching certificate in TX but jobs are scarce or in very dangerous schools (this tea party/hate mongering nonsense isn't helping either). |
The ads for a certified teacher start at 60k/yr dollars. I'd suggest completing your licensure. But then I'd suggest working in a dangerous school as well.
Thanks Homer. Don't Brits 'advise' as a noun? I forget. I'm probably wrong. |
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johnslat
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Dear LCK,
Apparently not - or so Wiki advises me:
"Nouns ending in -ce with -se verb forms: American English and British English both retain the noun/verb distinction in advice / advise and device / devise, but American English has abandoned the distinction with licence / license and practice / practise (where the two words in each pair are homophones) that British spelling retains. American English uses practice and license for both meanings."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-ce.2C_-se
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lazycomputerkids
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Spot on, Sir John, cheers. |
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boundforsaudi
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Dear Seditious,
I say don't do it. Get your license first, then get a job for much more $$ in Qatar or the UAE, where you will also find more "spice." |
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trapezius
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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That's a good offer for what you have in terms of qualifications. In fact, for not having a teaching certificate, that's excellent. (for Saudi)
Finish off the certification asap and then come back to Saudi to teach in a British school or an American school (in Jeddah, Riyadh, or Khobar/Dhahran) for about SR. 12,000/month plus free fully furnished housing and the other usual perks (tickets, medical insurance, etc). Not to mention, the much more professional working environment compared to whatever school you have the offer from. |
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