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havinganicetime
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 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:24 pm Post subject: PMU Updates |
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| Any updates on the situation at PMU? Working / living conditions? Morale? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| They are on holiday, trying to forget the last nine months. Some will return. Some will not. |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: PMU Updates |
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| havinganicetime wrote: |
| Any updates on the situation at PMU? Working / living conditions? Morale? |
You're really not expecting any improvement are you? Check back in a couple years... maybe...
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isabel
Joined: 07 Mar 2003
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Location: God's green earth
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard the usual exodus is underfoot. The core group of female faculty who have held in there since the start are leaving. The abuse has continued and maybe accelerated. The main compound had all of its trees chopped down (by order of management) and the Phillipina staff is now being worked 6 days a week, live 20-30 in a small villa, with no or poor AC. Garbage is collected on an occasional basis.
I suspect anyone with backpack and a pulse will be acceptable. Go there against all advice to the contrary, and you should not complain when it turns out exactly as you were warned. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Well...............................they have been warned ! |
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Mia Xanthi
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
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Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, even the oldest of the old-timers (and I don't mean by age!) are getting out this summer, and most of these are people who had really resisted leaving. People who really had put their heart and soul into building a good program for good students. People who had no problem with living in KSA and in fact had every reason to want to stay...except that they could no longer tolerate being treated so poorly.
I doubt that PMU will be left with anyone who was there originally after this summer. The sad part is that it makes the students feel so abandoned by teachers that they loved.
If employees had been treated with a modicum of respect and dignity, this could have been avoided and the place could have thrived. If the admin could have behaved honestly and with just a little integrity, many of these teachers would have been willing to give many more years to see their students thrive and eventually graduate. |
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MixtecaMike
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| So who's going to do all the hard work for KSAALT? And organize the monthly snacks? I still have six months worth of membership, and have developed a liking for those little petit pan with zatar and labneh. |
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isabel
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry about your six months. Who will keep KSAALT going? They will probably find someone who will be willing, then they will abuse them, too. It is a thankless task. Those who set it up and kept it going did it for KSAALT, not PMU. Maybe a different uni will pick it up. |
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havinganicetime
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject: exactly what's wrong with the place? |
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| So exactly what is going on there that is so bad - what are administration doing that is so horrible? |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Do a search... there are plenty of posts talking about this... dozens of posts... covering the last 2-3 years.
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cmp45
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: exactly what's wrong with the place? |
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| havinganicetime wrote: |
| So exactly what is going on there that is so bad - what are administration doing that is so horrible? |
Will knowing the details matter? The writing is on the wall, just have to read it. If people say admin. are bad. Then that is to be taken seriously, especially in KSA. If you are skeptical, then sign on, go and find out first hand. |
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isabel
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, there are a lot of threads full of detailed descriptions of the insanity and brutality of the administration. |
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Mia Xanthi
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| detailed descriptions of the insanity and brutality of the administration |
There have always been two camps on this: one that holds that the PMU admin is pure evil and intentionally seeks to make the lives of employees hell, the other holding that the PMU admin is merely incompetent, greedy, and deceitful - or some combination of those three adjectives. Isabel is obviously in the "evil" camp. However, I think the point is that it would be hard to drum up a camp that would say that the top admin at PMU is "good" or "fine" or even "doing their best".
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| So exactly what is going on there that is so bad - what are administration doing that is so horrible? |
There is no reason to go into detail on any of the latest "horrible" things being done at PMU. It is sufficient to say that nothing has changed for the better, and some would say it has only become worse. Most (myself included) are just tired of talking about the same old grievances over and over again.
I've been gone from there for some time now, but I keep in close touch with people who are still there. Would I now encourage anyone to work there? Well, it depends on the answers to these questions:
1. Do you have a family? Do you have children in school? People with children need to be especially careful because there have been cases in which people have been offered jobs and they have taken their kids out of school, packed up, sold or rented the house based on that offer...only to find that HR at PMU ignored their calls or letters about the status of the employment offer for months. In other words, people with job offers for August may find themselves completely ignored until January, when suddenly PMU contacts them to tell them that they are needed immediately.
2. Do you have a current job and outstanding debts that require immediate monthly payments? The same situation that I described above can mean that you will be living without a paycheck for a while. Don't quit your job until you have the PMU-provided airline ticket in your hands. Otherwise, you may find yourself unable to make payments and/or living with relatives for months.
3. Will you need an iqama immediately? Are you in good health? Do you anticipate any need to leave KSA for the first four months of employment? The Human Resources office at PMU is notoriously unpredictable about providing visas and iqamas on time. A number of people each year have to wait four or five months to get iqamas for themselves and their families. This will cause problems with children enrolling in school and being able to send money back home on time. At the very least, it will cause you to miss travelling during scheduled vacation time, because you will not be able to leave the country while your iqama is pending. It's hard to sit in a dusty old compound for two weeks doing nothing while all your colleagues are off to Thailand or Egypt! More seriously, though, is that this could also mean that you would (god forbid) have to miss a family funeral or be unable to return home for any health emergency, including health problems of your own.
I've written much more than I intended, because there's no need to keep on beating this dead horse. However, the only reason that I feel I have to say these things again is because the whole purpose of this forum is make sure that people are forewarned about possible problems at a potential workplace. To sum up, the biggest problem with taking a job at PMU is that you cannot rely on their Human Resources department for much of anything, and you must keep that in mind before accepting a job with them. |
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isabel
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I think the admin is shamefully oblivious and, yes, sometimes cruel. There is no other way to explain the way some people (and groups of people, such as the Philippinos) are treated.
They are also incompetent, deceitful and greedy. While that may not be considered by everyone to be evil, certainly the results can be evil. Frankly, the deceitful and greedy part is rather evil in my opinion.
In the final analysis, the top administration has other priorities than running a successful institution of higher learning. This may be for a variety of reasons, number one in my opinion because they are utterly distracted by greed and ego, the result is the same.
Yes, the part about people missing funerals of immediate family members, and not being able to take deathly ill family members home for necessary medical treatment is not hypothetical. This happened to several people there.
Can a place really be this bad? If you are really curious, and don't want to believe what has been posted on Dave's- sign a contract and see for your self. |
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007
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Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Teta Mia and lady isabel, it seems PMU are looking for lady doctors to look after their students and staff! 
Some of the duties of the lady doctor are:
* Responsible to educate the university about their health and health related problems and find solutions for these problems.
*Responsible to ensure accurate and proper general preliminary medical examination of all the students and staff and accurate completion of medical records.
http://www.higheredjobs.com/international/details.cfm?JobCode=175430171
Teta Mia, do you think a lady doctor can solve the health problem in PMU?
BTW, isabel, your avatar is frightening, and I think it needs a lady doctor to fix it! |
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