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I've found better job. Would like to do a runner?
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Cubism



Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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Location: US

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:37 am    Post subject: I've found better job. Would like to do a runner? Reply with quote

I left the country when I did a flit a few yrs. ago. But what if I simply wanted to take a job in a different province? What's your opinion? I know the stuff like they cancel your visa.

This area's quite hard on a person's health & I could legitimately leave. Classes haven't started and I'd rather avoid the red tape if possible, just ease out the door...to another place.

Thanks.
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Duboshi



Joined: 11 Feb 2009
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Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does your contract allow you to legitimately leave?

I'll add my opinion here.

Runners make all FTs in China look bad. The next person this school tries to hire will have a more difficult time with this school, as this school will be more careful in the future. This may mean lower wages for the next person. If they paid for your visa expenses, how do they get this back when you leave them hanging like that? As of last year, I think, some things related to foreign experts are now kept track of with a central computer. How do you expect to get a new visa without recommendation letters and release letter from your last contract? You might be in for a surprise, or you might be lucky. However, you'll add to the bad perspective that some Chinese have about foreigners in this country and ultimately you will hurt everyone here to some extent.

My advice is to talk it out with the people you have the contract with and try to find some compromise. I don't think it's ever commendable to promise something to someone and then just break your word, but that's just my opinion.
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also very unprofessional!!
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crunchyone



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quit my first job here after 3 months. There were no problems from the school I was leaving as I kept them informed of my progress looking around for different jobs.

However, as I had a Z visa, they canceled that, and I was given a 10 day L visa. My new school promptly sent me off to HK.

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Hansen



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Location: central China

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In mental health circles, what "Cubism" is doing is asking for permission. He knows doing a "runner" is irresponsible, so he wants his "peers" to tell him it is "OK." Then he can seduce young women, smoke, and get drunk to deal with his already defiled conscience.

Save your typing fingers. He is likely to do his own will anyway.

Boo hoo, the place is not too good for your health. That's a legitimate reason for leaving?

Eating excess meat, drinking alcohol, and using tobacco, not to mention bangin hoez isn't good for your health either. Going to do a runner on those too?

edit: changed "****" to "irresponsible."


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LanGuTou



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it's just like the words a soldier may use in Afghanistan or a firefighter in the middle of an inferno or rescue workers battling against the elements in Taiwan right now:

"This area's quite hard on a person's health & I could legitimately leave. "

Or maybe that's a legitimate reason not to go there in the first place!
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 04 May 2005
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Location: Yinchuan

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LanGuTou wrote:
I guess it's just like the words a soldier may use in Afghanistan or a firefighter in the middle of an inferno or rescue workers battling against the elements in Taiwan right now:

"This area's quite hard on a person's health & I could legitimately leave. "

Or maybe that's a legitimate reason not to go there in the first place!


What a horrible comparison between a fire fighter and Cubism pulling a runner. Why the emotional appeals to prove your point when Cube already knows the inherent wrongness of breaking his contract?

If it was me I'd be asking myself what I stand to gain and loose. If the new job might pay more, but it brings a whole set of unknowns. Will you get paid on time, will you get good housing, will you get treated well by the school, and so on and so forth.

If the new job is that much better and you have no compelling reason to hang around then do the runner. I wouldn't be held to a contract that your school probably has no problem tearing up the first time they feel like it.

You aren't holding up the image of FTs in China, but you are holding up your own. If pulling a runner can be done with out damaging that image and reputation then have at it.

I'd be cautious though... very cautious.
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waxwing



Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least offer to work out your notice ... they need to find a replacement!
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A'Moo



Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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Location: a supermarket that sells cheese

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its pointless to respond to the OP, for his English is so poor, and he has such a lack of knowledge of China in general, that he is probably a troll from a non-english speaking country....
BUT, I agree with those who say that ANY school/proprietorship here wouldnt even bother to waste time tearing up a contract, theyd just trash can it....While I personally dont like to stoop to the Chinese level, you definitely need to look out for number one here.....
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alter ego



Joined: 24 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do as many runners as it takes until you get it right. Life is about making choices, good or bad, and dealing with the consequences. That's just part of being human, isn't it?

Thanks, but no thanks, for the psychobabble! Laughing
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hot_water_hillbilly



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why so many Cubism threads about quitting jobs, pulling runners, and complaints about being blacklisted and being unable to get another job in China?

All he's saying in many current threads doesn't add up.

So what's this all about Cubism?
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tommchone



Joined: 27 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Narcotics, perhaps?
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Trinley



Joined: 29 Apr 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alter ego wrote:
Do as many runners as it takes until you get it right. Life is about making choices, good or bad, and dealing with the consequences. That's just part of being human, isn't it?

Thanks, but no thanks, for the psychobabble! Laughing


Dealing with the consequences of your choices seems to support not running, imho. If you made the choice to commit a certain amount of time to this school, I think you should cultivate the integrity to stick around and make the best of it.

Some coworkers at my last job did this, and I thought it was rather crappy. The school didn't have enough time to find decent replacements, the students felt bad because a teacher they like ditched them for better weather, and it does make the rest of us look bad.

My opinion in this situation is to stay unless they have broken the contract. I would consider leaving with several weeks' notice if I had received a job that was a big step up in my career -- but ditching one ESL job for another is not going to get you far. Bad on the CV too.
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Menino80



Joined: 24 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP does not read like a post from a native speaker. Good, but not native. Nice try 朋友
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Teatime of Soul



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do as many runners as it takes until you get it right. Life is about making choices, good or bad, and dealing with the consequences.


That would be nice wouldn't it, provided others didn't have to bear the consequences caused by runners?

Would it be logical to assume employers who get burned by runners will be less trusting and more likely to make conditions more stringent for future hires?

The "But, but, the Chinese made me do it, and besides, even if they didn't, they would cheat me first if I didn't cheat them first, and besides, it's everyman for himself" mentality has contributed to this "tragedy of the commons" has it not?

Not suggesting one enjoin in indentured servitude or abusive circumstances, but isn't a certain mindset, no stranger to these forums, in part, "why we can't have nice things"?

Cheers.
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