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the peanut gallery



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked that line as well Guy. And sorry, I misinterpreted your question.
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juanwilly



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Location: Mazatlan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeresaLopez wrote:
Professor wrote:
.Look at the language schools that cheat their teachers out of their pay every chance they get.


OK, which ones would they be? In over 25 years of teaching in Mexico, I have never had this experience anywhere I worked.




Just two of which I am aware: Escuela Rogers and CETEC, both in Mazatlan. I am certain that there are too many to cite all.
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Enchilada Potosina



Joined: 03 Aug 2010
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Location: Mexico

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juanwilly wrote:
TeresaLopez wrote:
Professor wrote:
.Look at the language schools that cheat their teachers out of their pay every chance they get.


OK, which ones would they be? In over 25 years of teaching in Mexico, I have never had this experience anywhere I worked.




Just two of which I am aware: Escuela Rogers and CETEC, both in Mazatlan. I am certain that there are too many to cite all.

There are plenty, you just have to remember that most language schools are not founded on educational principles but on business principles. Making money is number 1 and always will be. Those that can keep the customers/teachers happy stay in business.

I can't understand why teachers expect a decent job with a good salary and benefits in a language school. This doesn't exist. You have to be slightly aggressive in these places, state your terms and conditions and negociate a better deal. This has worked really well for me when I've had to work in these places.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Perspective Reply with quote

In many respects, one can see a place from any one of many angles. For example: What NorteAmericanos see as a warm, family based culture in Mexico is in many ways done because of the harsh economic realities.

If pensions and govt. run and/or backed retirement plans are few, then the main retirement plan of the common Mexican must be family.

A family house is often passed down for many generations in Mexico while in the US parents might change houses several times while the kids are growing up.

Also, the American idea of family and the Mexican ones are very different indeed. In the US I see our concept as being much smaller than it is in Mexico. In Latin America, the "extended" family is seen as important as the "nuclear" family is in the US.

I also sense that our discussion goes on in a bit of a vacuum. I mean, any foreigner from a "1st" world country must have a very different POV from those with whom we mingle and live around.

And as a Mexican student of mine once said (she was assigned to the Mex Embassy in DC for almost 2 years): It's much easier for somebody from Mexico to adapt to a 1st world country than it is for somebody like yourself to adapt to a 3rd world country.
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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Forget Mexico Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:

Long-term I see little future in being an English teacher in Mexico.


Long-term you are correct. A lot of my MEXICAN students constantly ask me why I'm still in Mexico teaching? They tell me that I could have a much better retirement in the States than I could EVER have here teaching EFL.
Teaching could be a good thing (short term) for someone fresh out of college wanting to live and experience another culture before going back to the States for grad school, or for an old person living here teaching part time and having a SS check from the States, but for long term....well just remember the 80 year old Prof. Gringo mentioned. Teaching biz classes jst to have money to eat. No retirement, no pension.
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TeresaLopez



Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enchilada Potosina wrote:

I can't understand why teachers expect a decent job with a good salary and benefits in a language school. This doesn't exist. You have to be slightly aggressive in these places, state your terms and conditions and negociate a better deal. This has worked really well for me when I've had to work in these places.


With all due respect, I disagree with you. Perhaps if you compare what teachers get paid in the US/Canada with what you make here, no. But compared to other professions with similar qualifications and education here is Mexico, it can be quite a good job, yes, with decent benefits, and the possibility of advancement. You can't expect to make US wages, but you also don't pay US prices for most things, with the exception of luxury items and imported items. I live in an area that is considered by most people to be a decent area. No, it's not trendy, but I feel safe, and I know few people who have been effected by crime in the neighborhood. Yet you can rent a nice two bedroom apartment for $3000 - $3500 pesos. My electric bill is $600 pesos every two months. My husband and I spend about $600 pesos a week on groceries, buses cost 3 or 4 pesos, the Metro costs 3 pesos. Why do you need to earn a US salary. We live a quite nice life, eat out once or twice a week, travel 4 or 5 times a year, and have pretty much anything you could want or need. We just ate a huge lunch, which included shrimp soup, rice, chicken in green mole for my husband, a shish-ka-bob for me, beans, tortillas, dessert, and 5 tequillas for 95 pesos. Saying that you don't make a good salary, when comparing it to the US is comparing apples and oranges, or, well papayas and mangos.

That is, if you are a dedicated teacher. I hear from lots of people here that
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SaratheSlytherin



Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
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I'm talking about just blogging about what life is really life down there for an EFL teacher. I want my family to have peace of mind when I'm down there.

Also thanks so much to the teachers who answered my posts and PM me... you are very kind!

Good idea? Bad? Has anyone tried it?


There are plenty of blogs out there from teachers all over the country. Blogger is an easy way to start.

http://www.blogger.com

Facebook is another good way to stay in touch with folks back home. I've been using that medium more than any other to send home photos and video of my daughter's first year of life for family that can't be in Mexico as often as they would like.


Thanks Guy! I would like to know if anyone on this site is keeping a blog?
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SaratheSlytherin



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor wrote:
TeresaLopez wrote:


here in Mexico, where people actually give a damn about their families and take care of them into old age instead of relagating them to an (often crappy) old folks home, so the need for a large pension isn't as great.


REALLY?????? ALL Mexicans give a damn about their families?????? I guess that's why I washed, fed, changed the diapers and turned over every two hours every night my mother in law because her MEXICAN sons and daughter REFUSED to do ANYTHING for her.
I'm just saying...not all mexicans care about their families. That mentality shows in the work force as well.Look at the language schools that cheat their teachers out of their pay every chance they get.


You can't generalize about any country. With all respect it seems like T's post has been misinterpreted. Saying that family values run strong in Mexico (they do) is not saying ALL Mexicans are a certain way. Not all people in the USA are uncaring but sadly there are things here in USA that are very wrong and need to change.
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