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lizziebennet



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not have residence in any other country and for me to get residence for my husband's country will take 6 months minimum. It just took 8 with a friend.

If I want to come on as a dependent I usually would have to wait for my husband to finish his 3 months probation before his company would go through that.

I had a direct hire in Riyadh with a well known place that is not 'unscupulous' and they were going to bring me in on a business visa. So I am sorry but I don't entirely agree with that point but we can agree to disagree.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reality is that you are both correct.

VS
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear veiledsentiments,

I was thinking the same thing. While I'd say that Cleopatra is "generally right." the reality is that every case is different (as lizziebennet's case shows,) and so each individual has to make the decision based on his/her situation.

The danger is that one "good outcome" may convince others that going tp Saudi on such visas is no problem, when for many/most it WILL present problems.

Regards,
John

P.S. Dear lizziebennet,

This puzzled me a bit:

"I do not have residence in any other country . . ."

Are you "stateless?"

Regards,
John
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The danger is that one "good outcome" may convince others that going tp Saudi on such visas is no problem, when for many/most it WILL present problems.


That's exactly it.

I'm glad things have worked out (thus far) for lizzie, and I'm sure that many who agree to work on business visas do so without major problems.

However, the fact remains that in agreeing to work on an illegal basis you are setting yourself up for potentially a lot of grief. Yes I know, having a proper iqama is no guarantee you will be treated well, but you do at least have theoretical rights which - believe it or not - for the most part are honoured. When you come on a business visa you have precisely NO rights whatsoever.

To those who encourage others to work in KSA on an illegal basis (and I know lizzie is not one of these people), I would like to ask this question: Would you also encourage foreigners to work illegally in your own country?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Cleopatra,

"Would you also encourage foreigners to work illegally in your own country?"

Only if I owned a fast-food franchise, a construction business, or an agricultural conglomerate.

Regards,
Exploiter John
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lazycomputerkids



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
Would you also encourage foreigners to work illegally in your own country?

Reasoning, Cleo has it.
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007



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear Cleopatra,

"Would you also encourage foreigners to work illegally in your own country?"

Only if I owned a fast-food franchise, a construction business, or an agricultural conglomerate.

Regards,
Exploiter John

.. Or owning a S..... (Please fill as appropriate) industry in Silicon Valley, California! lol: Laughing Laughing

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P.S. Dear lizziebennet,

This puzzled me a bit:

"I do not have residence in any other country . . ."

Are you "stateless?"

Well, John, I do not think South Africans are stateless!
Because they have passports, they can travel, not denied employment and, most importantly, they can get married! Laughing
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear 007,

Then why does she write that she does not have "residence in any other country?"

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John
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lizziebennet



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I meant was in a country other than my home country. Earlier I said that we were separated because we are from different countries.
I am assuming Cleo thought I might have residenc in my husband's country but I do not.

This means at present my only option is to go to South Africa while my husband goes to Canada.

Lol I am not stateless although I read about a South African who tried to stay in Canada as a refugee due to the high crime rate.

I don't think they accepted that argument.
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vorticity



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To those who encourage others to work in KSA on an illegal basis (and I know lizzie is not one of these people), I would like to ask this question: Would you also encourage foreigners to work illegally in your own country?


This appears to be somewhat of a faulty syllogism, if I may say so, that ignores the fact each place is different in terms of consequences.

I think one should try and establish the reality; and what other way to do this than seek the experience of those who have been in the position? If one is to infer practice from theory here in the absolute sense, then will one really attain the reality?


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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear vorticity.

Well, if you'll check the various posts on this forum from "people who have been in that position," you'll find that lizziebennet's reality, while not in a class by itself, is definitely in the (small) minority.

Most of those who went to Saudi on an illegal visa warn others against doing so.

Regards,
John
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lazycomputerkids



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
vorticity wrote:
then will one really attain the reality?
you'll find that

You're both wrong.
Philosophy 101, Vorticity no has
Statistical significance, Johnslat no can has
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vorticity



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, John, this is the kind of information I'm after. However, it hasn't really been fast in coming on this thread (not intended in an ungrateful way).

Also, I get the feeling that certain people's experiences may be 'dated'. There follows some more of my 'feelings':

- That more people are involved in such an arrangement that one might expect

- That the implications may be somewhat serious on paper, but the reality could be otherwise

So again, the request is for those who are in such a position/have been in such a position relatively recently to kindly make known your experience. And as far as I'm concerned, I haven't considered enough 'case studies' to make a firm conclusion. However, this isn't to say the warnings of those against such an arrangement (atleast from the 'theoretical perspective') aren't appreciated
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vorticity



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
You're both wrong.


Care to elaborate?

And philosophy? Stay well away from the stuff !
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not standard procedure. It is a trick used by incompetent and dishonest organisations/individuals. Do not walk down that road.
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