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samhouston
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 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:45 am Post subject: How much does it cost my school to hire me legally? |
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I've been working at my school in Shanghai for three years. Only now are they getting around to (maybe) issuing proper work permits. Until recently, salaries quoted have been after tax. Rumor has it that once the real visas are issued, salaries will be before tax, and I'll be making less than when I first began working here.
For example, in 2007, I was hired at 14,000 net. 140 bills in hand every payday. Now, I'm making 15,000 net. They say when the new rules begin, my gross will be 15,000, meaning I'll be taking home about 13,335rmb.
They say the new rules (pay cuts) are to offset the cost of the work visas the school will be providing. But if they are paying me 2000rmb less each month, (since the original taxable salary is around 17,000), over the course of a year, that's 24,000rmb they would have saved.
That seems a bit excessive, to say the least. I could be totally wrong, but I don't think it costs that much per foreigner. Does anyone have the real figures on how much it costs an employer to hire FTs? And what are the company's costs to get the license to issue the visas? |
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kev7161
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Location: Suzhou, China
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't know the actual costs, but why not offer to cover the costs yourself if you can keep your original net salary that you've been enjoying? |
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frenchfrydoggy
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And you are perfectly willing to work for a school that alters your salary thus forcing YOU to pay for your working credentials ?
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Talk about gullible |
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samhouston
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| frenchfrydoggy wrote: |
And you are perfectly willing to work for a school that alters your salary thus forcing YOU to pay for your working credentials ?
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Talk about gullible |
Yeah, I know! Talk about gullible, felchfrydoggy! Did you happen to notice that word in my original post: RUMOR? No? I'll explain. A knowledgeable and seasoned professional like yourself would certainly know that it is not uncommon for low level Chinese management to (purposely or not) pass on garbled information to the foreign teachers. In my request for relevant information, I declined to mention what my intentions are should these rumors actually come to pass. But for reasons that are not clear, that's what you decided to comment on. Helpful as always. |
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wangdaning
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Step off the battle ground if you have no reason to enter. Frenchie Dogs got the answers, and Sam is asking for them.
To be more on topic, what do you mean by proper "work permits." |
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drrjon
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Location: Chongqing
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps your school is just deducting the tax if they are becoming legit. Tax is due on anything you make over 4800rmb. There is no real cost for the school to hire you. The foreign experts permit is free, the residence permit is around 800rmb for a full year and less for less than one year, The medical is a bit over 340rmb...these are the costs where I am at. If you have never had a Z visa to enter China you may need to do this by making a Hong Kong run. The visa costs vary depending on where you are from. |
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samhouston
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| kev7161 wrote: |
| Don't know the actual costs, but why not offer to cover the costs yourself if you can keep your original net salary that you've been enjoying? |
I could do that if it's cheap enough for me to consider, but I don't know what it really would cost them. The way it's been so far is I've been paying for my own visas and the school reimburses me. This loony rumor is them paying for it and then massively docking pay in compensation.
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| To be more on topic, what do you mean by proper "work permits." |
A residence permit and FEC that is from the actual school/company I work for, and not from some other company that was able to get it for my company. |
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samhouston
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| drrjon wrote: |
| Perhaps your school is just deducting the tax if they are becoming legit. |
They have been deducting tax. Every year I get a simple letter from the government with the details of my taxes and a thank you for contributing to the success of China. It's weird, my school's company goes through the trouble of properly taxing their FTs, but not getting legal credentials for them.
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| There is no real cost for the school to hire you. The foreign experts permit is free, the residence permit is around 800rmb for a full year and less for less than one year, The medical is a bit over 340rmb...these are the costs where I am at. If you have never had a Z visa to enter China you may need to do this by making a Hong Kong run. The visa costs vary depending on where you are from. |
I figured it wouldn't cost them too much for the actual permits, but I wonder how much does it cost a company to get a license to hire foreigners in the first place? And are the costs different for schools? |
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Kiwi303
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| samhouston wrote: |
| It's weird, my school's company goes through the trouble of properly taxing their FTs, but not getting legal credentials for them. |
Likely someone in the school knows someone in the PSB and can get the working permits and so on swept under the carpet so you can work without all the boxes ticked, but the school admins guanxi doesn't extend into the tax department ranks, so they need to pay the right tax or have a stink happen which they don't have the connections to handle. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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