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iain00
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: No Degree but keen to teach! |
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Hi all, I have recently completed a 130 hour TEFL course, and am now looking for my first teaching post in Asia.
The problem is all the schools require that you have a BA degree. Does anyone know if this rule is strictly enforced? Would I have more luck if I just flew out to the country and searched round for schools with my CV.?
The countries I�m looking at are Thailand, Laos, Indonesia, Cambodia, China or Japan.
If anyone has any advice on getting a job without a degree, I would be most grateful. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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This has been asked about once a week here now. Have you read any of the related posts?
As for Japan...
A degree or 3 years of related teaching qualify you for a work visa. If you don't meet either of those requirements, then you cannot get a work visa. Yes, it is strictly enforced.
In such case, you will have to decide if you want to come on a student visa or cultural activities visa and be able to work only part-time. Same goes for working holiday visa (which has a shorter life span and is limited only to certain nationalities and ages). |
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bulgogiboy

Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 803
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Korea and Japan: Degree is needed, you can't get around it.
China: My co-workers were mostly working without degrees, and legally. This was about 5 yrs ago, so things may well have changed.
Thailand: I met lots of people working without degrees, although I'm not sure how many of them were legal. Thailand has tightened up its laws since then, I think.
Laos and Cambodia: Were even more lax than Thailand, when I was there.
I knew a lot of people working in Turkey without degrees, again this was illegal.
It all depends on whether you want legal status or not. I think the places in Asia where you can teach legally without a degree are rapidly disappearing... |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:52 am Post subject: |
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bulgogiboy wrote: |
Korea and Japan: Degree is needed, you can't get around it. |
No (about Japan). Read what I wrote. |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:47 am Post subject: Re: No Degree but keen to teach! |
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iain00 wrote: |
Hi all, I have recently completed a 130 hour TEFL course, and am now looking for my first teaching post in Asia.
The problem is all the schools require that you have a BA degree. Does anyone know if this rule is strictly enforced? Would I have more luck if I just flew out to the country and searched round for schools with my CV.?
The countries I�m looking at are Thailand, Laos, Indonesia, Cambodia, China or Japan.
If anyone has any advice on getting a job without a degree, I would be most grateful. |
LEGAL work (with proper visa and/or work permits) will be difficult to obtain.
You can, based on your original post, for the most part rule out: Korea, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam and Taiwan. You will, for the most part, NOT be able to obtain legal work in any of them.
There are legal opportunities available in Japan (as indicated in the post from Glenski - but the chances of finding a job without qualifications and experience is another matter).
Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia and rural China are possible but with no experience, no degree and only a generic TEFL course you will also be at the bottom of the list of candidates and the bottom of the pay scales (in many cases less than US$500 per month).
The more popular (and better paid) eastern parts of China (Beijing, Shanghai, the Perl River Delta, etc.) will be unavailable without a degree or the willingness of your school to pay the bribes required to get you a visa.
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jpvanderwerf2001
Joined: 02 Oct 2003 Posts: 1117 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:21 am Post subject: |
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If you're really keen to teach, why not do yourself a favor and get a degree? There are online opportunities to get BAs with far less expense than at brick and mortar schools. Look up, for instance, Aspen University, or the like.
It'll take some time, but should prove to be worth it in the end, especially if you want to make this a career (or long-term gig).
Best of luck |
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iain00
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Hi all, thanks very much for all your replys. |
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Madame J
Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 239 Location: Oxford, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Laos and Cambodia, as another poster has said, are options. Indonesia is a sticky one-they've apparently brought in laws recently requiring all teachers to have an English or teaching related degree. How rigorously this is being enforced, however, is another matter.
It isn't strictly true that urban China is out of bounds, although you may end up doing the sort of jobs nobody else wants (i.e., teaching kids only). I have a couple of friends working for EF in Shanghai without degrees, and I believe they're both teaching kids only despite one of their earlier claims that China are so desperate for teachers you can choose your own age group. |
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