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hurrimark



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:55 pm    Post subject: Hk work visa Reply with quote

Hi there.

Is it the case that you can enter HK for 90 days and stay/work without a Visa, while your Visa is being processed? (uk passport) or can you only stay 90 days but not work before visa is granted? If not, how does it work?

Many thanks.
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Perilla



Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you can't work here legally without a visa. Most people get their work visa by finding a job, then the employer applies for your visa.
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sistercream



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some employers work around the processing time for work visas by having a "training contract" for the person they want to employ. The more reputable of such employers will give backpay for the time worked on such terms, but others will not even bother actually submitting the paperwork to the ImmD, then shaft the "trainee" after a couple of months.
"Real" schools are not (AFAIK) guilty of this practice, but there are plenty of language centres of varying degrees of dodginess...
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hurrimark



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistercream wrote:
Some employers work around the processing time for work visas by having a "training contract" for the person they want to employ. The more reputable of such employers will give backpay for the time worked on such terms, but others will not even bother actually submitting the paperwork to the ImmD, then shaft the "trainee" after a couple of months.
"Real" schools are not (AFAIK) guilty of this practice, but there are plenty of language centres of varying degrees of dodginess...


So you can work on a 'training contract' whilst your visa is being proccessed?
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Serious_Fun



Joined: 28 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hurrimark wrote:
So you can work on a 'training contract' whilst your visa is being proccessed?


Have you taken the 3 minutes needed to visit the Immigration Dept. website?

http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/hkvisas_4.htm#part2

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Visitors are not allowed by law to take up employment (paid or unpaid), to establish or join in any business, or to enter school as a student, nor, except in the most unusual circumstances, are visitors allowed to change their immigration status after arrival.


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A'Moo



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serious_Fun wrote:
hurrimark wrote:
So you can work on a 'training contract' whilst your visa is being proccessed?


Have you taken the 3 minutes needed to visit the Immigration Dept. website?

http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/hkvisas_4.htm#part2

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Visitors are not allowed by law to take up employment (paid or unpaid), to establish or join in any business, or to enter school as a student, nor, except in the most unusual circumstances, are visitors allowed to change their immigration status after arrival.


cluelessmark

Wow. OP's just asking a simple question...
Some of those on these boards are more fully versed in the intricacies of the visa processes here, as they are at the consulates and on websites daily trying to procure visas for their ex-masseuse wife and her family to flee...
Then some, like the OP, just want an answer to a question...
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SF is more serious than fun. Still, probably not a bad idea to investigate the Immigration Department's website. I'm inclined to think sistercream is right about this.
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hurrimark



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got offered the job with some conditions:

work 9.30-7.30 2 days off
pay - 12000 HKD per month
12 month contract '3 months probation'.
applying for sponsored visa when I get here (is this allowed, sorry i'm still unclear)
10 days annual leave

I have no prior teaching experience but do have a BA degree and an MA.

bum deal you say?
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hurrimark



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help guys soo far.
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A'Moo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hurrimark wrote:
I got offered the job with some conditions:

work 9.30-7.30 2 days off
pay - 12000 HKD per month
12 month contract '3 months probation'.
applying for sponsored visa when I get here (is this allowed, sorry i'm still unclear)
10 days annual leave

I have no prior teaching experience but do have a BA degree and an MA.

bum deal you say?

Yeah, terrible deal. Twice that would be a pittance.
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therock



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hurrimark wrote:
I got offered the job with some conditions:

work 9.30-7.30 2 days off
pay - 12000 HKD per month
12 month contract '3 months probation'.
applying for sponsored visa when I get here (is this allowed, sorry i'm still unclear)
10 days annual leave

I have no prior teaching experience but do have a BA degree and an MA.

bum deal you say?


Any housing or living allowance on top of that salary?
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hurrimark wrote:
bum deal you say?


Yeah, that's a bum deal. That's rock-bottom wages even for the private language school sector, where the average is probably about 17K a month. It's also a long working day and a crap holiday allowance. And you have an MA? You shld be able to find better.
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hurrimark



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

therock wrote:
hurrimark wrote:
I got offered the job with some conditions:

work 9.30-7.30 2 days off
pay - 12000 HKD per month
12 month contract '3 months probation'.
applying for sponsored visa when I get here (is this allowed, sorry i'm still unclear)
10 days annual leave

I have no prior teaching experience but do have a BA degree and an MA.

bum deal you say?


Any housing or living allowance on top of that salary?


No, not at all.
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hurrimark



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perilla wrote:
hurrimark wrote:
bum deal you say?


Yeah, that's a bum deal. That's rock-bottom wages even for the private language school sector, where the average is probably about 17K a month. It's also a long working day and a crap holiday allowance. And you have an MA? You shld be able to find better.


Thanks. I knew it didn't sound good, it's just I wasn't sure what the minimum wage I would be able to earn would be; considering that I don't have teaching experience or professional teaching qualifications.

The minimum with a BA and MA you think is about 17000 HKD per month?
Is this with/without a housing allowance?

Thanks for your advice.
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hurrimark wrote:
The minimum with a BA and MA you think is about 17000 HKD per month?
Is this with/without a housing allowance?


No, I'm not saying 17K a month is the minimum, but IMO is about average for private sector schools (and that's without a housing allowance - housing allowances are rare outside NET or the international schools/ESF/unis etc.).

Do you have CELTA? With it you should certainly do better, but even without it I'd have expected you cld find a better deal, given your education.
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