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my_way



Joined: 16 Feb 2010
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Location: tokyo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:38 am    Post subject: thoughts on leaving tokyo Reply with quote

hi all.....i have been reading a lot and following this situation carefully. i am not one to panic, but this situation with the reactors is not getting better....not at all.
i really don't know who or what to believe and am considering getting out of japan for a week or so.
i do have a job, but nothing is more important than my health.
any thoughts??
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a read of this excerpt which I posted on another thread, and if you are still worried, then perhaps you should leave.

Here is a worst case scenario from someone qualified to give one, the scientific advisor to the UK government:

"He also speculated what could happen in what he described as a "worst case scenario":

"The worst case scenario is that the cooling fails, that the containment vessel ruptures and they are not able to keep the temperature down. This would lead to a meltdown. As a result of this, the radioactive material would react with the concrete and cause an explosion. This is a big if. Even if this did happen, the radioactive material would only rise to about 500 metres high, compared to 30,000ft in Chernobyl. This is serious for the surrounding area, of course, and extending the exclusion zone from 20km to 30km is entirely appropriate".

Professor Beddington suggested that the risk to Tokyo and suburban centres was relatively low, as any radioactive material that escapes would fall close to the reactor. He added:
"The relative duration [of a radioactive release from Fukushima] would be hours at the absolute most. The worry or concern is for those working on the plant. Worries about larges centres of population...are not sensible concerns".



Apparently a level of about 0.809 microsieverts per hour was measured in Tokyo this morning, back down to normal levels of about 0.035 microsieverts by midday. These are tiny amounts. On any long-haul flight for example you will be exposed to around 5 microsieverts due to the altitude, just to give you some perspective.

I'm in Tokyo and I won't be going anywhere, but of course it's an individual decision.

Edited to correct numbers.
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mstoffer



Joined: 17 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
Have a read of this excerpt which I posted on another thread, and if you are still worried, then perhaps you should leave.

Here is a worst case scenario from someone qualified to give one, the scientific advisor to the UK government:

"He also speculated what could happen in what he described as a "worst case scenario":

"The worst case scenario is that the cooling fails, that the containment vessel ruptures and they are not able to keep the temperature down. This would lead to a meltdown. As a result of this, the radioactive material would react with the concrete and cause an explosion. This is a big if. Even if this did happen, the radioactive material would only rise to about 500 metres high, compared to 30,000ft in Chernobyl. This is serious for the surrounding area, of course, and extending the exclusion zone from 20km to 30km is entirely appropriate".

Professor Beddington suggested that the risk to Tokyo and suburban centres was relatively low, as any radioactive material that escapes would fall close to the reactor. He added:
"The relative duration [of a radioactive release from Fukushima] would be hours at the absolute most. The worry or concern is for those working on the plant. Worries about larges centres of population...are not sensible concerns".



Apparently a level of about 0.809 microsieverts per hour was measured in Tokyo this morning, back down to normal levels of about 0.035 microsieverts by midday. These are tiny amounts. On any long-haul flight for example you will be exposed to around 5 microsieverts due to the altitude, just to give you some perspective.

I'm in Tokyo and I won't be going anywhere, but of course it's an individual decision.

Edited to correct numbers.


I agree with you and am also staying but the fact that the news keeps getting worse and worse and more ppl are leaving is a disturbing trend.
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pnksweater



Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may very well be overreacting, but two of my friends in Tokyo have bought tickets for a "holiday" outside of Japan. I think the after shocks, minimal food on the shelves at the grocery store, and the rapid deterioration of the situation at the Dai-ichi nuclear plant yesterday and today is enough to make anyone skittish. Even if it�s not going to be on the scale of Chernobyl, there�s plenty of room for bad scenarios, and Tokyo is well within the range of that bad scenario.
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my_way



Joined: 16 Feb 2010
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Location: tokyo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the issue i'm struggling with is whether to trust the optimistic reports or not. i have always been skeptical of the media and gov't.
i have a job and a husband here, so while i am not considering leaving for good, i was also thinking of a holiday to HK.
thanks for any input or news.
i hope that everyone remains safe.
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mstoffer



Joined: 17 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pnksweater wrote:
They may very well be overreacting, but two of my friends in Tokyo have bought tickets for a "holiday" outside of Japan. I think the after shocks, minimal food on the shelves at the grocery store, and the rapid deterioration of the situation at the Dai-ichi nuclear plant yesterday and today is enough to make anyone skittish. Even if it�s not going to be on the scale of Chernobyl, there�s plenty of room for bad scenarios, and Tokyo is well within the range of that bad scenario.


Do you have some new source information to support that or are you just guessing? Please don't try to freak people out even more without showing some support, the media is doing a good enough job of that.
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my_way



Joined: 16 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree that tokyo is within range of a bad scenario and don't need any reports to confirm.
i asked for OPINIONS, and this is a reasonable opinion.
as i mentioned, i don't trust the media and read several 'alternative' news sources and publications online.
the japanese themselves are questioning the situation..... and it is comforting to me that they are.
this isn't a newspaper....people are free to write about their personal opinions and experiences....good or bad!
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cvmurrieta



Joined: 10 Jul 2008
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Location: Sendai, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone think I should leave Sendai for Yamagata even if my girlfriend does not want? I can still catch buses to Yamagata.
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mstoffer



Joined: 17 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my_way wrote:
i agree that tokyo is within range of a bad scenario and don't need any reports to confirm.
i asked for OPINIONS, and this is a reasonable opinion.
as i mentioned, i don't trust the media and read several 'alternative' news sources and publications online.
the japanese themselves are questioning the situation..... and it is comforting to me that they are.
this isn't a newspaper....people are free to write about their personal opinions and experiences....good or bad!


Yeah that is exactly why I asked if it was his/her guess or from a source since he/she stated it as if it was a fact. Seriously though people in Japan and their families and friends (like mine) at home are freaking out enough so if you think Tokyo is at serious risk then please state it is your own un-supported opinion or provide some support. If you wanted to start a "20-something year old English teachers use their own knowledge to determine worst case scenarios of power plant meltdowns" topic then please call it that. This is how panic spreads and it is not helpful right now.
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Shonai Ben



Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cvmurrieta wrote:
Does anyone think I should leave Sendai for Yamagata even if my girlfriend does not want? I can still catch buses to Yamagata.


I'm in Sendai too chief.....no plans to leave though.
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cat mother



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