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reddevil79



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I dare say that many of the rioters already have family in jail...
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ancient_dweller



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I dare say that many of the rioters already have family in jail...


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eurobound



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ancient_dweller wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

"we're just showing the rich people we can do what we want"


I change my mind. This is definitely politically motivated. I think this debate is what swung me...

'Like, it's the Government's fault.'
'Yeah.'
'I don't know.'
'Conservatives.'
'Yeah, whatever, who it is, I don't know.'

Quite a pair of heavyweights.
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dean_a_jones



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cameron's statement says a lot:

"For me the root cause of this mindless selfishness is the same thing I have spoken about for years: it is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society...people allowed to feel that the world owes them something"

In the first part, he could be speaking about the financial crisis and the idiots who have pretty much screwed up the whole system, particularly for those at the bottom.

But the second part, that those at the bottom feel the world owes them something, should be true. Last I checked, in Britain people should be given decent living conditions, a fair chance, a good education and decent wages. I think you will find a lot of people who feel like they are still owed this.

Speech was listed at http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/10/manchester-riots-uk-disorder-day-four-live at 11.45am.
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eurobound



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ancient_dweller wrote:
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I dare say that many of the rioters already have family in jail...


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I dare that many of the rioters have family members who have been molly-coddled (sic) by the law-courts and prisons of this country and therefore have no fear of the law or the punitive penalties that breaking it in this country can bring about. Change that and you'll be getting somewhere.
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ancient_dweller



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Quite a pair of heavyweights.


Laughing

Thought you might be persuaded.
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reddevil79



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I dare that many of the rioters have family members who have been molly-coddled (sic) by the law-courts and prisons of this country and therefore have no fear of the law or the punitive penalties that breaking it in this country can bring about. Change that and you'll be getting somewhere.


And you know this how exactly?
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eurobound



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
reddevil79 wrote:
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I dare that many of the rioters have family members who have been molly-coddled (sic) by the law-courts and prisons of this country and therefore have no fear of the law or the punitive penalties that breaking it in this country can bring about. Change that and you'll be getting somewhere.


And you know this how exactly?


From five years of working for the Crown Prosecution Service in London, Sheffield, North Yorkshire, and London again.
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ancient_dweller



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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From five years of working for the Crown Prosecution Service in London, Sheffield, North Yorkshire, and London again.


please shed some light on the reason behind:

the short sentences (that only make people completely unemployable and actually teach them more criminal tricks)

why not - longer sentences?

i guess it is because - in countries like the US, longer sentences do not necessarily reduce crime.
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